Too Much is Too Much

[dalor]

The rampant number of pornographic emails I`m getting
from this list have left me with a miserable choice:

I can either continue to take part in the list and
enjoy it when I can...but get bombarded by this
unceasing barrage of trash.

OR

I can remove myself from the list and not be allowed
to enjoy the discussions and information to be found
here; leaving myself sad and unhappy.

Please, is there anything we can do about the garbage
that these jerks are spamming onto the list? I`m a
member of several of the "wizards" lists and have none
of this from them...what is making the difference?

I really love all the hard work that has been put into
all this, and I don`t want to remove myself from the
list; but I refuse to deal with garbage, even if it is
garbage sitting in the middle of the roses I`m looking
at.


Anthony Edwards



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[Doyle]

? I'm not getting anything other that the couple of recent pill spams - are you sure it's this list your getting them from?

[geeman]

At 10:51 PM 12/2/2006, Anthony Edwards wrote:

>I really love all the hard work that has been put into all this, and
>I don`t want to remove myself from the list; but I refuse to deal
>with garbage, even if it is garbage sitting in the middle of the
>roses I`m looking at.

It seems as if there has been an increasing rash of them lately. I
appreciate that it is annoying and sympathize. However, I have to
suggest that if the price for participating in the BR community is
some random spam then I think its worthwhile. There has been a lot
of time and effort dedicated to setting things up so that those who
want to participate can do so by whatever method they prefer (the
list or the boards) and unfortunately one of the simple costs of
modern life is that there is often a trade off between access to the
legitimate user community and those who take advantage of that
access. I`d love to track down that person and smack him around
appropriately, but at this point I think we should keep the link
between the boards (where the spam is originating) and the list
because I do not believe that losing contact with the boards is a
worthwhile trade off for some spam. When it boils right down to it
the spam takes up very little time and effort to get rid of, and
though I`d be happy to never see any again, the only method for doing
so from the sysop/moderator end at present is to sever the
connection, and I`m not ready yet to throw the baby out with the bath
water. No access is worse than marginally misused access.

Having stated my opinion, however, if folks on the list really think
its too much trouble to keep this thing going then I`ll bow to their
overall wishes and ask Arjan to turn off the connection between the
two at least for a while. I think he can set it up so that I get
posts to the message boards directly to my personal email rather than
through the list....

Gary
Birthright-l Moderator

[Arjan]

I know... and i hate it and atm theres nothing i can do about it.

i have put boards on moderated. even removed boards in hope their scripts dont work anymore. i have checked to see if i can ban @web.com (since that is where they are registering with) all timezone china (various ip numbers)

but nothing works so far unfortunately... and i dont really feel like approving them manually either by sending them emails who they are, why they want to join etc. this is an open community, not mine alone.

@Doyle: they reason that you dont see them is that i (or some other moderators) are deleting the threads right away from the board, but its indeed getting worse.

i will take a look at the new version of the forum to see if there is some kind of spamguard thingy implemented.

@antony, sorry to say, but you are the only one continually making a fuss about this, knowing many people are trying to solve the problem and dont like it as much as you do.
the only thing i can suggest to you till i find a good solution, remove yourself from the list and start using the "clean" forum where you do have "Dalor".


BUT theres one thing you must understand: we are NOT alowed to run our own forums/comunity that replaces the wizards one.
the mailinglist connection is a workarround so you can actually see it as a webinterface of the mailinglist. (all messages posted ARE send there)
IF i were to take the mailinglist connection offline, this means the end of the forum and ill have to force everyone to use wizards one.

[Vicente]

As a list member, I don´t have problems myself in receiving some spam from
the boards, it´s pretty easy to track and delete in the middle of the worthy
posts that are generated in the forums.

But this is my personal oppinion. Regards,

Vicente



-----Mensaje original-----
De: Birthright RPG Discussion [mailto:BIRTHRIGHT-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM] En
nombre de Gary
Enviado el: domingo, 03 de diciembre de 2006 11:36
Para: BIRTHRIGHT-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM
Asunto: Re: Too Much is Too Much

At 10:51 PM 12/2/2006, Anthony Edwards wrote:

>I really love all the hard work that has been put into all this, and
>I don`t want to remove myself from the list; but I refuse to deal
>with garbage, even if it is garbage sitting in the middle of the
>roses I`m looking at.

It seems as if there has been an increasing rash of them lately. I
appreciate that it is annoying and sympathize. However, I have to
suggest that if the price for participating in the BR community is
some random spam then I think its worthwhile. There has been a lot
of time and effort dedicated to setting things up so that those who
want to participate can do so by whatever method they prefer (the
list or the boards) and unfortunately one of the simple costs of
modern life is that there is often a trade off between access to the
legitimate user community and those who take advantage of that
access. I`d love to track down that person and smack him around
appropriately, but at this point I think we should keep the link
between the boards (where the spam is originating) and the list
because I do not believe that losing contact with the boards is a
worthwhile trade off for some spam. When it boils right down to it
the spam takes up very little time and effort to get rid of, and
though I`d be happy to never see any again, the only method for doing
so from the sysop/moderator end at present is to sever the
connection, and I`m not ready yet to throw the baby out with the bath
water. No access is worse than marginally misused access.

Having stated my opinion, however, if folks on the list really think
its too much trouble to keep this thing going then I`ll bow to their
overall wishes and ask Arjan to turn off the connection between the
two at least for a while. I think he can set it up so that I get
posts to the message boards directly to my personal email rather than
through the list....

Gary
Birthright-l Moderator

[epicsoul]

How odd. I have yet to receive any spam?

My work email is inundated with spam every day, but my personal hotmail account, I can't even recall the last time I had spam. And this is one of 5 forums that I belong to.

Hope you don't go, as any person leaving is a loss to the BR community...

[graham anderson]

My spam guard stops me from getting the spam messages although if I look in my spam box they are there.

[Lord Rahvin]

I agree with Vicente. As list members we have it a little easier, because
all most all of us are using email clients that can filter out pornographic
material. For most of us, anything from Birthright-L is allowed into our
inbox, but we can still setup key words that get filtered out. Also, it`s
usually pretty simple to not recieve them, simply don`t click on the subject
of those emails, much like I don`t click on posts with subjects that don`t
interest me.

I might also want to note, for academic interest if nothing else, that this
flood of spam started when someone started to complain about the spam on the
list. Since we know this spam is a deliberate action (rather than
automated), I would suggest not advocating the spammers anymore than we
have... until we are ready for the final strike.

[Delnee]

Thank you Arjan for your attempts to keep the spam from spoiling the list. I'm sure everybody appreciates it, and sympathises with your difficulties.