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    Quote Originally Posted by Fizz
    Hmmm... ok. Must've misread or misunderstood that part.


    -Fizz
    The text for becoming blooded via usurpation states there is no limit (except for the 1 less than the blood score of the victim) for the amount of RP absorbed by a non-blooded.

    To check out the math let's run a test (let me know if I miscalculated something - I've been known to do that before):


    Assumption: scion with a bloodline score of 20 is slain.

    Burst is equal to 100 RP with a radius of 100 ft.

    Assume that 3 non-blooded individuals are in the area and no scions are present.

    So the closest to the slain scion is the one that starts the process.

    Assume a character level of 5. The character has to make a character level check (d20 + character level) against a DC of 20 (or 15 for Azrai derivation). IF successful and the non-blooded character’s basic nature agrees with the derivation then he becomes blooded. If either test fails then he doesn’t and the RP passes into the ground without effect.

    Assuming the character passes the tests and becomes blooded.

    He absorbs the entire 100 RP generated.

    He immediately gains a bloodline score of 5 leaving 95 RP left in the pool.

    This applies to raising his bloodline score. {to raise the bloodline score it costs the target value in RP}

    To 6 (leaving 89)

    To 7 (leaving 92)

    To 8 (leaving 84)

    To 9 (leaving 75)

    To 10 (leaving 65)

    To 11 (leaving 54)

    To 12 (leaving (42)

    To 13 (leaving 29)

    To 14 (leaving 15)

    To 15 (leaving 0)


    No one else gets anything since only the closest makes the check.

    Now it is easily a house-rule/Dm fiat that in order to even make the character level check the potential scion must have a basic nature that is compatable with the derivation and none of the other non-blooded characters count. But the BRCS doesn't go into that kind of detail.

    If there are any scions present within the blast radius they absorb RP first.


    Each scion within the area of effect absorbs the released RP as follows. Start with the closest scion; in the case of ties, select the scion with the highest bloodline strength and then the highest score. This scion is exposed to the released RP. She absorbs the RP, up to a limit of twice her current bloodline strength. Any unabsorbed RP continues out in a burst that affects the next closest scion.
    Duane Eggert

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    Quote Originally Posted by irdeggman
    If there are any scions present within the blast radius they absorb RP first.
    So does this mean that a commoner can only gain a bloodline only if there are no other scions in the radius of effect?

    In your example, say the commoner slays the scion, so the commoner is right next to him. Then there are 3 other commoners nearby. But way out right at the 100 foot mark is a lone scion. Are you saying the lone scion would absorb all the RP and none of the commoners would gain anything?

    If so, then it suggests this divine blood energy is `attracted' to itself.

    So would sielseigh gems would attract each other like magnets? This could lead to many interesting events.

    -Fizz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fizz
    So does this mean that a commoner can only gain a bloodline only if there are no other scions in the radius of effect?

    In your example, say the commoner slays the scion, so the commoner is right next to him. Then there are 3 other commoners nearby. But way out right at the 100 foot mark is a lone scion. Are you saying the lone scion would absorb all the RP and none of the commoners would gain anything?

    If so, then it suggests this divine blood energy is `attracted' to itself.

    So would sielseigh gems would attract each other like magnets? This could lead to many interesting events.

    -Fizz
    No a commoner could still become blooded. Remember that a scion is limited to the amount of RP he can absorb (not using bloodtheft or a tighm. weapon) of 2 x his bloodline score.

    So in the example above if a scion was present with a bloodscore of 20 he would absorb the first 40 RP (2 x 20) generated by the blast, leaving 60 for the commoner to potentially absorb.

    And yes I would say that bloodlines are attracted to each other. This fits the mechanic that scion doesn't have to make a check to absorb any of the RP from the blast but only to resist changing derivation (also a complicated process but laid out in Chap 2). This would also explain why bloodtheft was common in the years following Deismaar and having commoners receive bloodlines was relatively rare.
    Duane Eggert

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    So, true story...

    In my first Birthright games, I was the regent of medoere, and the GM (his first time also, the boxed set had just came out) ran the "wedding"adventure from the back of the book. The Bandit King and I met,a nd he said he was going to capture me, I was 2nd level at this point I think.

    At any rate, I used the only non-healing spell I had. "DIE!" I commanded him, and he did, so before everyone recovered from the shock, I stabbed him through the heart, and told everyone they'd better back off before I kill them also. the rest of the PC's were already taking defensive positions.

    The point is, Blows to the heart don't have to be based on Mechanics solely, it's a cinematic thing, and there are ways around it. remember, people don't actually die till -10 or -CON, and realistically noone actually dies until a few minutes after they fall.

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    At 09:35 PM 8/15/2006, ploesch wrote:

    >The point is, Blows to the heart don`t have to be based on Mechanics
    >solely, it`s a cinematic thing, and there are ways around
    >it. remember, people don`t actually die till -10 or -CON, and
    >realistically noone actually dies until a few minutes after they fall.

    While I would agree that bloodtheft can be handled "cinematically" I
    think there are good ways of handling it with game mechanics. Here`s
    what I use for bloodtheft. I try avoid the "called shot" rule which
    I think is a bit hokey, and any issues with making the process
    circumvent any of the existing mechanics.

    Also, it`s important to me that the rules abide by the original
    concept of bloodtheft, so scions don`t explode using these rules
    (other than in a descriptive way.) Only the person wielding the
    weapon that dealt the death blow can gain points from an act of
    bloodtheft. Commoners have no standardized way of gaining a
    bloodline through bloodtheft. Furthermore, this system also appears
    to be less generous than the one in the BRCS update. That`s to deal
    with some of the issues that have arisen with the transfer of
    bloodline using bloodtheft. A scion with a very high bloodline score
    shouldn`t necessarily benefit from usurping the bloodline of one with
    a very low bloodline score.

    A careful reading will show that using these rules a scion could,
    technically, be stabbed in the heart, lose his bloodline, and then be
    rescued by medical or magical means (if the blow that reduced him to
    below 0 hp was a critical hit) but it would be fairly hard to do--and
    should be possible anyway, IMO. Besides, victims of bloodtheft can
    still be raised from the dead, which has the same basic effect.

    --ooOoo---

    Bloodtheft

    When one scion kills another scion by stabbing him in the heart the
    power of dying scion`s bloodline is released. Some of this power is
    transferred into the body of the person holding the weapon that
    delivers the killing blow, possibly increasing the bloodline score of
    the slayer. This act is called bloodtheft. However, stabbing a
    person through the heart is not simple. An act of bloodtheft only
    occurs under special circumstances. First, bloodtheft can only be
    performed using a piercing or slashing melee weapon. The weapon must
    be held when the killing blow is delivered; one cannot commit an act
    of bloodtheft with a thrown weapon. If those basic conditions are
    met, an act of bloodtheft can occur under the following circumstances:

    1. When a scion performs a coup de grace upon another scion.
    2. Whenever a deathblow is dealt to a scion. That is, a killing
    blow that reduces the victim`s hit points below 0 or -10 (depending
    on whether one is using the -10 rule.)
    3. When the blow that reduces a scion`s hit points below 0 is a
    critical hit.

    If a scion is killed in any of the above circumstances you must check
    to see if an act of bloodtheft occurs. Successfully performing
    bloodtheft requires that the slayer make a check using his dexterity
    modifier. The DC of the check depends upon the circumstances of the
    potential act of bloodtheft as described on the table below:

    TABLE 4: BLOODTHEFT DIFFICULTY
    DC Condition
    5 The killing blow is a coup de grace.
    15 The slayer is using a piercing weapon.
    20 The slayer is using a slashing weapon.

    When bloodtheft occurs it may increase the bloodline score of the
    scion who committed the act depending upon the bloodline score of the
    slayer and his victim. If the bloodline score of the victim is less
    than or equal to the bloodline score of the slayer use the respective
    bloodline scores as modifiers on an opposed roll. If the result of
    the victim`s roll is higher than the slayer`s roll then the slayer`s
    bloodline score increases by at least 1 point.

    If the bloodline score of the victim is greater than that of the
    slayer then the slayer`s bloodline score automatically increases by
    +1. Subtract the slayer`s new bloodline score from that of the
    victim. If the remainder is still greater than that of the slayer
    then increase the slayer`s new bloodline score by another +1 and
    subtract this number from the remainder of the victim`s bloodline
    score. If this second remainder is still greater than that of the
    slayer`s new bloodline score continue the process until the remainder
    is less than or equal to the slayer`s bloodline score. Any remainder
    then becomes a modifier in an opposed roll just as if the bloodline
    score of the victim were lower than that of the slayer above.

    For example, a scion with a bloodline score of 14 kills another
    blooded character with a bloodline score of 10. Roll d20 + 14 for
    the slayer and d20 +10 for the victim. If the result of the victim`s
    check exceeds that of the slayer then the slayer`s bloodline score
    will increase by one point to 15. If a scion with a bloodline score
    of 12 kills a scion with a bloodline score of 33 the slayer
    automatically adds +1 to bloodline score (12 +1 = 13) since his
    victim`s bloodline score is higher than his own. The new bloodline
    score of the slayer is then subtracted from the bloodline score of
    his victim (33 - 13 = 20.) Since the remainder (20) is still higher
    than the new bloodline score of the slayer (13) add +1 to the
    slayer`s bloodline score (13 +1 = 14) and subtract this new number
    from the remaining bloodline score of the victim (20 - 14 =
    6.) Since that remainder (6) is now lower than the slayer`s
    bloodline score both values are used as modifiers on an opposed
    roll. If the result of the victim`s roll (d20 + 6) is greater than
    that of the slayer (d20 +15) then the slayer`s bloodline score will
    increase a third time to 16. If the slayer`s roll is higher than
    that of his victim his bloodline score will remain 15.

    On rare occasions a bloodline can be transferred from a scion to a
    commoner through an act of bloodtheft or similar event. These
    transfers are rare enough, however, that they qualify as events
    similar to the Land`s Choice and should be handled by the DM on a
    case-by-case basis.

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