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    Stjordvik vassals

    I was checking various domain tables in the wiki and I noticed that Stjordvik has Djursund Njalgrimsson as the Jarl of Udvika (abbreviation Dj, which for now conflicts with the abbreviation of the Jarl of Havliik in Svinik). However, the bio page for Djursund and his daughter Hrafnhild Djursunsdotter (which possibly should be Djursundsdotter) indicates that due to his frailty, she is acting as Jarlless. This is supported by the text on the wiki for Stjordvik. However, I cannot see any mention of her in canon publications. In fact, the Stjordvik domain table in The Rjurik Highlands has Djursund as regent. Which is right? Who is in charge of the province?

    Once I know, I can decide how best to resolve the abbreviation conflict.

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    I have spotted another irregularity in The Rjurik Highlands. In the entry fro Stordvik, it says the White Witch has 1 Guild holding in Saerskaap. However, in the same book the entry for the White Witch says she has 2 Guild holdings in Saerskaap. It is a 4/2 province and the only other guild is Storm Holtson (Stjordvik Traders) with 1 holding. The text says "The White Witch continues to maintain a small but significant interest in the area".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorontar View Post
    I have spotted another irregularity in The Rjurik Highlands. In the entry fro Stordvik, it says the White Witch has 1 Guild holding in Saerskaap. However, in the same book the entry for the White Witch says she has 2 Guild holdings in Saerskaap. It is a 4/2 province and the only other guild is Storm Holtson (Stjordvik Traders) with 1 holding. The text says "The White Witch continues to maintain a small but significant interest in the area".

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    On this one, the games I have done have always run this as being a level 1 Guild Holding, following the Realm description. As far as I remember, our own consensus was that if there was a conflict to follow the Realm description. It is more detailed, and the sum up lists are more prone to error.

    In this case, it also aligns with the description. If it was a level 2, it would not be small but significant in my opinion. It would then be the largest guild.

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    Djursund is reported giving up the jarldom to his daughter hrafnhild in the player's secret of stjordivk aourcebook. Her name is indicated in the sourcebook. This is more like an added detail rather than a .mistake, I think it should be canon - at least that is what I did when I wrote stjordivk's doom.
    The witch holdings are a different problem. They are reported as being *secret*, as no one knows their presence. But there is no secret holding game.mechanic, hiwever we have brcs spy networks now, which should be more appropriate, although they do not generate profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witness3 View Post
    Djursund is reported giving up the jarldom to his daughter hrafnhild in the player's secret of stjordivk sourcebook. Her name is indicated in the sourcebook. This is more like an added detail rather than a .mistake, I think it should be canon - at least that is what I did when I wrote stjordvik's doom.
    The witch holdings are a different problem. They are reported as being *secret*, as no one knows their presence. But there is no secret holding game.mechanic, however we have brcs spy networks now, which should be more appropriate, although they do not generate profit.
    As a regent I would far rather have secret guild holdings with levels than a spy network. The former generate income and could even anchor a trade route (can secret guilds create a secret smuggling trade route? Why not, with Espionage to cover it up!).

    I know we have been back and forth over the secret holdings issue before with the BRCS project, but I feel like this is one of quite a few references to secret holdings in the source material. I feel that we should just note with an asterisk after any holding that is said to be secret in the source material, then denote the asterisk's meaning after the regent abbreviation list at the end of a holding table (if you all follow what I mean).
    Then DMs/groups are free to decide for themselves how to handle the hidden holding mechanics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osprey View Post
    As a regent I would far rather have secret guild holdings with levels than a spy network. The former generate income and could even anchor a trade route (can secret guilds create a secret smuggling trade route? Why not, with Espionage to cover it up!).

    I know we have been back and forth over the secret holdings issue before with the BRCS project, but I feel like this is one of quite a few references to secret holdings in the source material. I feel that we should just note with an asterisk after any holding that is said to be secret in the source material, then denote the asterisk's meaning after the regent abbreviation list at the end of a holding table (if you all follow what I mean).
    Then DMs/groups are free to decide for themselves how to handle the hidden holding mechanics.
    I suspect that the easiest way is to say not commonly known as being part of a 'formal' holding (i.e. perhaps seen as small guilds without central organisation at 'holding' level) and susceptible to discovery of the central organisation with espionage / adventure / luck - but to each DM their own, as you note we don't have to give hard answer, the entire holding system is deliberately somewhat vague on the details of what holdings represent.

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