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Thread: (DnD 5e) Birthright Conversion
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09-06-2014, 08:19 AM #51
New Subrace: Cerilian Halfling
See into the Shadow World. Cerilain halflings can cast the Detect Evil spell. Once they use this power, they must take a short rest before they can use it again.
Step into the Shadow World. Cerilian halflings can cast the Dimension Door spell. Once they use this power, they must take a long rest before they can use it again.
Non-magical. You have advantage on saving throws agains spells, but you cannot choose choose following classes / archetypes: Fighter (Eldritch Knight), Rogue (Arcane Trickster), Sorcerer, Warlock, Wizard.
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09-06-2014, 02:16 PM #52
Yes, but 2ed Birthright IIRC used the term "Druid" as a title for Clerics of Erik. There was no Druid class unless the DM substituted the Druid class for the Druid cleric (though that substitution was player campaign-specific, not a canon option).
So the simplest way to convert is to treat Druids as the title of clerics/priests of Erik. The inclusion of the Druid class should not be any more than an optional alternative approach. No need to complicate things any more than we need to. Just like Monks are left out of 2ed, so too may Druids be.
Get the basics right before we start working out whether any new additions should also be added.
Sorontar,
who played in a 2ed BR campaign where the only druids were Druid class (ie. we chose to go non-canon), and Erik had not other cleric/priest (ie. we kept one main religious class per faith).
who also never liked the addition of Sorcerer to Birthright.Sorontar
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09-06-2014, 02:57 PM #53
I guess it's a matter of preferences... in any case, there's no "conversion" needed, either one chooses to use Druids as priest of Erik, or he doesn't. So better to not get stuck on this.
I would personally give the title Druid to the Clerics of Erik, and rename the druid class into something elvish, and only let elves take it.
Re: Sorcerers - the idea of a spell caster using the magical power of his blood is actually quite fitting for Birthright, don't you think?
Though I'd scrap Wild Magic and Draconic Blood, and their "origin" would be related to their bloodline derivation...
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09-06-2014, 04:02 PM #54
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With regards to cleric/druid, what about not using either? We could create a new class called Priest, and have the subclasses be each of the specialty priests with their own name- Druid for the priest of Erik, maybe Stormlord for the priests of Cuiraecen, etc. This would be most in keeping with how they were handled in 2nd Ed, and remove this entire cleric/druid issue since they'd then all be on equal footing.
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09-06-2014, 04:08 PM #55
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We'd want to be careful with terminology here. Halflings could Detect Evil etc, but it was an innate power- they weren't casting a spell (ie no memorization or components required).
Some of the restrictions might be overdone- we'd also have to decide what classes are allowed. I don't think Eldritch Knight or Trickster or Warlock are appropriate for anyone in Birthright, not just Halflings. (I suppose you could make a case for the first two if the character were blooded.)
Perhaps we should make a 5E subsection in the forums for such discussions?
-Fizz
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09-06-2014, 09:09 PM #56
The Eldritch Knight would be suitable for specific Fighter/Wizards from canon - Rhuobhe Manslayer, Prince Fhileraene, the Gorgon etc. The Chamberlain could be modelled simply by a few Fighter levels and the rest Wizard-Diviner.
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09-07-2014, 10:34 AM #57
All wizards are rare in BR, we'd need 1 wizard per realm, that's all. And I don't see how it impacts the flavour of the setting at all - the Karamhul (and Halflings following the same logic) go from disadvantaged compared to the other races to equal, that's all. You could argue that it brings in the option to have much more Nordic-type Dwerger for some Karamhul realms but I don't see a problem in that.
I'd take the standard 5e dwarf, and modify it to add the BR specifics that changed a standard 2e dwarf into a Birthright Karamhul - bone density and elemental ties; then consider whether the race should be expanded in the same way that sidhe were to make it less generic and more BR-specific, I wouldn't lumber the race with defects that were removed 2 editions ago due to playability concerns.
Probably, which would be a slight issue for the Karamhul given relatively low levels of blooded characters - but open some interesting "whythat idiot? He's the only wizard we've got" type issues. I would personally have the Karamhul as somewhere between huamns and sidhe in terms of "magical weirdness"
Not really, but I had the misfortune of getting into arguments with some of them back in the day and losing, then checking to source material and finding out some of Tolkein use of artistic licence. I recommend the Norse stuff to anyone who wants to use Karamhul in BR, you'll never see them in the same light again.
Says the guy who confesses to creating a Shadow World equivalent of the karamhul who possibly weren't particularly nice.
Interesting, we have "traditional" magic from the sidhe and copied by goblins and humans, Karamhul magic could then be a completely different tradition, same effect (under a KISS approach) but very different theme.
Indeed, I'd suggest focusing on what BR changed to 2e and mimicking such changes to 5e though, rather than assuming that 2e standard relics also had to be re-imported, of course then we get the question of what was standard and what was non-standard.
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09-08-2014, 06:41 PM #58
I suggest to do first a direct "translation" of the AD&D 2e material, and then add "variants", something like:
Direct conversion: the class "druid" doesn't exist, the Clerics of Erik have the Nature domain, and are called "druids".
Variant: All priests of Erik are actually Druids, as per PHB.
In an eventual layout stage, we would put the variants in a coloured box or something.
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09-09-2014, 03:34 AM #59
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09-09-2014, 03:55 AM #60
Domain Turns
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but Domain Turns are in the DMG.
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