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    Erm clarification on bless land spell.

    I dont understand the point of this spell?

    Lets see.In the best possibly scenarios a temple regent spends 1 GB and 1 RP to increase his temple holding by 1 level.This nets a gain of 1 RP and 2/3rd GB.

    The owner of hte province(usually,but not always someone else) also benefits,to the tune of 1 GB and 1 RP for the increase in province level.

    Thus in most cases the temple regent loses 1/3rd GB for performing the spell, as well as the standard action required.

    So, to benefit from this action the temple regent must make some kind of agreement with the province ruler, that the province ruler must pay part of the casting costs.Lets say 0.5 GB/0.5 RP for example.

    This nets the temple regent about 0.1 GB(estimation) and 0.5 RP profit, and the province ruler gets 0.5 GB/0.5 RP.

    Hardly worth the cost of a standard action IMHO.

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    At higher levels, the caster can affect multiple provinces, so it becomes quite worthwhile - and earns big favor with the landed regent(s) who benefits, too.

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    The landed regent would hardly get a noticeable benefit.Yes you can affect multiple provinces but the profit margin always remains disturbingly low.

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    Question – you really need to get your hands on the 2nd ed material. It has a lot of background and other info that are solely a rules mechanic issue. BR is at its core a game that revolves around politics and posturing. What one regent can do for another is essential in how far each can proceed with their own plans.

    When affecting multiple provinces the increase is +1 GB and RP per province for the landed regent. This is very usefull when attempting to raise funds to cover troops for an upcoming war. And works surprisingly well for theocracies like Medore, Talanie and Ariya.
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    Im not sure what you are saying.Are you saying that the 1/3rd GB loss for the temple regent is being paid off by keeping the landed regent happy?

    What if the temple regent refuses to perform the realm spell because it causes him to lose money?He can logically demand a share of the profits, which leads to the problem in the first post.

    The only people who benefit from this spell are the regents who control both land and temple,and get a 1/3rd GB and 1 RP profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Question
    Im not sure what you are saying.Are you saying that the 1/3rd GB loss for the temple regent is being paid off by keeping the landed regent happy?

    What if the temple regent refuses to perform the realm spell because it causes him to lose money?He can logically demand a share of the profits, which leads to the problem in the first post.

    The only people who benefit from this spell are the regents who control both land and temple,and get a 1/3rd GB and 1 RP profit.
    There is the case of vassalage where the temple regent is the vassal of the landed regent - the "payment" could be to cast the Bless Land spell every so often. All vassalage agreements are unique and can be made very specific if the parties wish it.

    It is possible for the landed regent to give the temple regent GB in order to cast the spell. In the case of an upcoming war it is entirely possible that this will be done to raise funds. From my understanding this is not uncommon in PBEM games.

    It appears that you are still looking at things from a single, isolationist point of view. What I mean is that all players are playing for themselves and not for any common goals. If that is the type of PBEM game you have been getting yourself into no wonder you seem to have this viewpoint. It also, IMO, makes for a very poor game.

    As I said before politics is extremely important in BR. Getting the favor of the landed regent has many benefits for the future. The landed regent could pledge to support all temple actions in his lands (basically opposing any attempts by foreign temples to make ingrounds). Or conversely if the temple regent "refuses" to aid the landed regent when requested the landed regent could throw his support against the temple by supporting the opposition. Law holdings can be used to support or oppose contest, create and rule actoins for temples.
    Duane Eggert

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