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    Wondrous structures in the BRCS.

    I can only find palace?The rest in the list are stuff like bridges,etc......so BRCS has no info on specific wondrous structures which can be built?

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    look at page 90 of the Brcs under constructions.

    Manty

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    This was a specific decision made when writing it (the BRCS).

    This is not supposed to another Civ or Age of type of computer game. The info is only general because what is created is totally up to the players/DM and should be game specific and fit into the style done.

    People will post what they have come up for suggestions as time goes on. Osprey had at one time updated the the downloads to include those that were done waay back when by various players over the years. I'm not sure if this made the transition to the new software or not. Regardless I am confident that players will again post what they have come up so you should have aready listing to draw from.
    Duane Eggert

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    Okay i just re-read the rules for wondrous structures and something struck me.

    It costs 25 GB per level,and 2 gb maintenance per level.

    However it only gives 1 rp per level?

    I dont get it,is there something im missing?

    For most actions 1 GB = 1 RP for purposes of calculating DC.....GB is better for a domain ruler though, because it pays troops and can be used for rule province.

    So basically,it will take 25 turns to get back the initial investment.

    Now heres the funny part.

    2 GB is definately worth more than 1 RP.

    So every turn you are losing twice as much as you get,and thats if you think RP is equavelent to GB,which it isnt,as GB is more valuable........unless you are a wizard regent i suppose,where GB cant be used for source-related thingys.

    I just dont see how beneficial it could possibly be to build a wondrous structure here.

    Lets take 2 regents.Both collect equal amounts of RP/GB.

    Regent builds a level 4 structure.It costs him 100 GBs and 8 GB in maintenance per turn.

    It will take him infinity to obtain his investment back as he will be losing 4 GBs more than he is obtaining RPs.

    In 25 turns he will get 100 RPs,which is sorta his initial investment back.But in 25 turns it will cost him 200 GBs as well,which means in 25 turns he has spent 300 GBs for a return of 100 RPs.

    Regent B does not build anything and has 300 more GBs than Regent A in 25 turns.

    I think its clear who comes out ahead here.

    There has to be something else to make them worthwhile to build.....
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    People will post what they have come up for suggestions as time goes on. Osprey had at one time updated the the downloads to include those that were done waay back when by various players over the years. I'm not sure if this made the transition to the new software or not. Regardless I am confident that players will again post what they have come up so you should have aready listing to draw from.
    Actually, what i posted in the Downloads section of the previous incarnation were all of my own writeups for various sorts of Wonders (just about everything I could think of) - Military Academies, Academy of Magic, Rogues' Guild, Bardic College, and so on.

    Check out the Articles section of this site (Wonders), Arjan transferred them all tho the formatting didn't quite transfer it seems...oh well. Here's a link to my own website that has 10 of them in Word format for download:
    Southern Alliance Website

    As for the BRCS proper, no, they never included anything more for Wonders than the basic 1 RP per level, costs 25 GB per level to build, 2 GB per level to maintain. I took this basis and ran with it, but keep in mind that all of my Wonders are "unofficial" - just available to share, inspire, or scoff at as you please.

    Osprey

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    This is the only way to use GB to gain RP.

    All of the other mechanics work in the opposite direction. That is they convert RP to GB. Wonders are best for a regent with a high blood score (and lots of GB) but yet insufficient number of holdings to gain the RP he could. Say for instance a place like the Imperial City where the chamberlain can only have so many holdings to give him RP and yet there are some pretty significant trade routes passing through so he can earn some GB.

    I believe you are still comparing this game to the computer games far too much.


    Alchemy

    Transmutation

    Level: Sor/Wiz 1

    Target: Personal

    Duration: Instantaneous

    Saving Throw: No

    Spell Resistance: No

    Special Requirements: Source (3)

    You can invoke a small-scale, permanent transmutation effect to turn lead into gold. Casting this spell transforms enough lead to create 1 GB worth of gold. For every additional 4 RP spent during the casting of this spell, an additional 1 GB worth of gold is transformed. Special: The number of GBs worth of gold produced by this spell cannot exceed the level of the source used to empower the ritual. Thus, a wizard casting this spell with a source 3 and spending 12 RP can produce no more than 3 GB worth of gold per casting (for a net profit of 2 GBs as the spell costs 1 GB in components).

    Regency Cost: 4 RP / 1 GB created.

    Material Components: 1 GB worth of expendable ritual components and base materials.







    Court costs

    A regent must maintain the domain court and pay for retainers, regular gifts, and diplomatic affairs of state. The seasonal maintenance cost for a court is 1 GB per level. If this expense is not paid the regent loses 5 RP for every GB of expense of short fall and the court automatically decreases in value by one level as if the regent had Decreed its downsizing. Furthermore, the regent cannot increase the size of her court for a full year, as her ability to maintain her courtiers appropriately must be reestablished with time. The regent's court costs provide a reasonable wage and standard of living, but do not cover highly prized specialists (such as most PCs). Most such characters serve the court out of duty, pride, personal power, or because they want to. Some lieutenants and specialists may require additional payment. Such payments constitute an additional expense to the regent's treasury.



    Failing to maintain units

    Military expenses are paid at the end of each season (when taxes are collected). Any normal army unit that is not maintained takes two subdual hits (half damage on a successful morale save against DC 15). The commanding regent may spend regency points to modify this morale save. This damage cannot be healed until the unit maintenance debt is paid in full.


    In 2nd ed failing to pay maintenance costs resulted in a loss of RP, 5 RP for each GB needed.

    The BRCS changed this mechanic to have a morale save to avoid subdualdamage but RP can be used to modify the save so a semblance of this relation was maintainted.
    Duane Eggert

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    How am i comapring it to the computer game?All i did was state some simple maths involved.

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    Wondrous structures in the BRCS.

    At 06:07 PM 10/31/2005 +0100, Question wrote:

    >How am i comapring it to the computer game?All i did was state some simple
    >maths involved.

    I`m told the 4th edition of D&D has been announced. At least, one of my
    fellow gamers mentioned that to me the other day. (I don`t particularly
    pay attention to such things myself.) I bring it up because one of the
    things the designers are specifically going for is, apparently, to make the
    rules as compatible as possible for computer RPG games, that being where
    they see a significant amount of their revenue coming from in the future.

    Some people seem to think that`s a negative, but I don`t. There are a lot
    of very good ideas used in computer games that can be expressed in a pen &
    paper RPG--particularly things used in Civilization type games that can be
    incorporated into a domain level of play--so I expect the process will
    really be more collaborative than exclusive. I`ve used quite ideas from
    computer games in the past and they often work out very well. The trick is
    to keep the math relatively simple. It`s very easy to write a computer
    simulation that does complex (or just extensive) math, and that`s not
    something that `ports well directly into a pen & paper game because, even
    if the math is simple, it`s more time consuming than we organics care to
    deal with.

    Gary

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    4th edition!!!

    i hope your joking?

    and you have players? whats it like?

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    Wondrous structures in the BRCS.

    At 08:35 PM 10/31/2005 +0100, Mantyluoto wrote:

    >4th edition!!!
    >
    >i hope your joking?
    >
    >and you have players? whats it like?

    I`m afraid I`ve pretty much exhausted my information on the subject of 4th
    edition. IIRC the anticipated release date was not for a year or so. I do
    remember a post by Monte Cooke to the effect that when he working with WotC
    designing 3e they were already in the planning stages for 3.5, and that it
    was part of a long term, consistent strategy of updates every few
    years. Some people seem to find that to be some sort of Machiavellian
    corporate strategy to maintain a revenue stream (and it might very well be
    to a certain extent) but I don`t find it particularly noxious myself. In
    comparison to the release schedules of computer games, movie sequels, books
    in a series, etc. it is pretty much in line with much of the rest of the
    entertainment industry.

    As for what it`s like having players (if that`s what you were asking)
    lately it`s like trying to schedule day care appointments for impoverished
    kids with a more adult vocabulary. Everybody`s schedule is a bit hectic,
    none of them have enough cash to order out, and nobody seems able to clean
    up after themselves.... I`m going to try to keep anyone from using dishes,
    cups and silverware that require washing in the future. I can barely clean
    up after myself--and maybe not really even that to be honest--so cleaning
    up after others isn`t really working.

    Gary

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