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  1. #1
    Brenda L Santer
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    Complaint of the Day

    I realize that mistakes get made and things get missed when editing any
    work that is published, but I found something while DMing one of my
    Birthright campaigns which really surprised and bothered me.

    Point #1 There is only one race of elves on Cerilia.

    Point #2 Elves in Cerilia do not worship gods, so they cannot be
    priests/priestesses.

    So why in the Hall of Darkness in the Bastard's Burrows under Wyrnstone
    Citadel in the module "Warlock of The Stonecrowns" written by Wolfgang
    Bauer can the following be found: "This hall full of pits was carved from
    the rock 200 years ago as an amusement for a DROW ally that finally refused
    to conclude her treaty with the Warlock. (Her body still lies at the bottom
    of the northernmost pit, along with her corroded drow chain mail, a broken
    hand crossbow, and A HOLY SYMBOL OF LOLTH.)"

    I happen to like drow and enjoy using them in my campaigns but this just
    stuck out in the module. It is out of character for Birthright. Of course,
    any DM changes whatever parts of any module they wish to change. I have no
    problem with that at all, since I do it al the time myself. It just seems
    to me that a drow elf wearing a hholy symbol of Lolth would be noticed
    somewhere. As I said, that is my "beef" for today. Thanks for listening.


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    Complaint of the Day

    > So why in the Hall of Darkness in the Bastard's Burrows under Wyrnstone
    > Citadel in the module "Warlock of The Stonecrowns" written by Wolfgang
    > Bauer can the following be found: "This hall full of pits was carved from
    > the rock 200 years ago as an amusement for a DROW ally that finally refused
    > to conclude her treaty with the Warlock. (Her body still lies at the bottom
    > of the northernmost pit, along with her corroded drow chain mail, a broken
    > hand crossbow, and A HOLY SYMBOL OF LOLTH.)"

    Well I don't know if that drow was a planewalker or something, but most
    probably
    she came from an other Prime Material anyway.

  3. #3
    Jeremy Reaban
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    Complaint of the Day

    Another thing that bugged me in that module (Warlock of the
    Stonecrowns), is that there's a 'hobgoblin' in it.

    Now, I was always under the impression, that there was really only one
    race of goblins in Cerilia, and while their size varied , they were all
    called goblins (either common, Elite, or Huge).

    Plus, he's a wizard, and he doesn't seem to be blooded, so he really
    should be a magician. I know, just a quibble, really, but the BR could use
    a continuity editor to help catch these things...

    -

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    Michael Gerard Kothakota
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    Complaint of the Day

    On Jul 24, 4:48pm, Jeremy Reaban wrote:
    > Subject: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Re: Complaint of the Day
    > Another thing that bugged me in that module (Warlock of the
    > Stonecrowns), is that there's a 'hobgoblin' in it.
    >
    > Now, I was always under the impression, that there was really only one
    > race of goblins in Cerilia, and while their size varied , they were all
    > called goblins (either common, Elite, or Huge).
    >
    > Plus, he's a wizard, and he doesn't seem to be blooded, so he really
    > should be a magician. I know, just a quibble, really, but the BR could use
    > a continuity editor to help catch these things...
    >
    >

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    Complaint of the Day

    It is rather odd to see that, I'd heard rumblings over the last few months
    concerning this too, but I've never run the module. M.'s comment about
    them being planewalkers is an interesting idea, but I personally don't feel
    that BR fits in with the rest of the D&D cosmology (The Shadow World does
    muck things up a bit. I've read it described as a "mix of the Astral,
    Ethereal, and Negative Energy planes all rolled into one thick nightmarish
    soup" -- a PS reference.
    Of course, this could all be explained as it being a part of the Crystal
    Sphere of Aebyrnis (the BR world), again, if you use crystal spheres in BR
    it applies well.

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    MagnusKhn@aol.co
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    Complaint of the Day

    Personally I'd rather BR be kept seperate (Planescape and Spelljammer) in
    order to maintain the charm and flavor that makes it unique. The low magic
    realistic feel is disrupted when you're dealing with things as wild as planar
    travel or spelljamming... The magic is kept more mysterious -as magic should
    be- when it's done in minor amounts... the loss of the sense of wonder that
    comes with overuse of magic in a campaign makes magic look like just another
    tool... I dislike FR because of the extreme high magic there...
    ...(V)agnus |{haine...

  7. #7
    MHahn59022@aol.co
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    Complaint of the Day

    In a message dated 97-07-27 03:26:08 EDT, you write:

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    Complaint of the Day

    > MHahn59022@aol.com wrote:
    > >
    > > In a message dated 97-07-27 03:26:08 EDT, you write:
    > >
    > > that BR fits in with the rest of the D&D cosmology (The Shadow
    World> does
    > muck things up a bit. I've read it described as a "mix of the
    Astral,
    > Ethereal, and Negative Energy planes all rolled into one thick
    nightmarish
    > soup" -- a PS reference. >>

    Thanks... :-) I honestly don't like to insert the BR world in the
    Multiverse either, IMHO it somewhat ruins the flavor of this setting.
    I'd simply rule out all the non-cerilian stuff present in the module
    and work a way to substitute 'em ad example the Drow could be>
    transformed
    into a cunning Orog shaman.

    > I have run several adventures in the Shadow World, using all of the
    rules
    > > from first edition Ravenloft about fear checks and the like, and hey
    >were
    > great successes.

    > Any thoughts on this idea?

    In it's own way the Shadow World could be even considered a domain of
    the Demiplane of Dread, with the Cold Rider as it's Darklord...and
    maybe
    it could have shaped as a land of nightmare by the invading fiend who
    exiled the halflings from their once livable lands. Why this plane is
    tied so deeply tied to Cerilia, that's a mistery of the times in wich
    this now dark reflection of the BR world came to existance in it's
    primal
    and non-evil form.

  9. #9
    MHahn59022@aol.co
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    Complaint of the Day

    In a message dated 97-07-27 14:58:09 EDT, you write:

    I have run several adventures in the Shadow World, using all of the
    rules
    > from first edition Ravenloft about fear checks and the like, and hey
    >were
    > great successes.

    > Any thoughts on this idea?

    In it's own way the Shadow World could be even considered a domain of the
    Demiplane of Dread, with the Cold Rider as it's Darklord...and maybe it could
    have shaped as a land of nightmare by the invading fiend who exiled the
    halflings from their once livable lands. Why this plane is tied so deeply
    tied to Cerilia, that's a mistery of the times in wich this now dark
    reflection of the BR world came to existance in it's primal and non-evil
    form.
    >>
    I am not treating it as an actual domain of Ravenloft, just using the rules
    on fear, horror, and madness checks, and the effects on spells and magic
    items that are not related to planer travel and summoning. Oh yes, and the
    rules about the reduced turning abilities of priests.

    Also, the crystal sphere which the BR world inhabits is completely
    impervious. No spelljammers can get in, and in the unlikely event that
    someone actually built a spelljammer inside (never mind how they would get a
    helm), they would not be able to access the flow.

    Not that if you cut BR off from the rest of the multiverse, you need to
    consider where the Sword Mage's fiend allies (Book of Magecraft) live.

    One storyline I am toying with is an invasion of Aniure by Scro, starting
    with the Gorgon's Crown. The Gorgon, having been handly defeted by the
    magicly powerful invaders, would try to tell the rest of the world, and get
    them to unite under his banner for a defense. (It's still a bit sketchy) If
    the PC's react the expected way, with sceptism, the Scro would be knocking on
    their doors next. (Yes, I know this would meen a total alteration of the face
    of the BR world, but wouldn't it be intresting ;-).)

    Michael Hahn
    MHahn59022@Aol.com
    You can run, but you'll only die tired.

  10. #10
    Felix
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    Complaint of the Day

    jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt

    - -----Original Message-----
    From: MHahn59022@aol.com
    To: birthright@MPGN.COM
    Date: segunda-feira, 28 de julho de 1997 6:45
    Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Complaint of the Day



    In a message dated 97-07-27 14:58:09 EDT, you write:

    I have run several adventures in the Shadow World, using all of the
    rules
    > from first edition Ravenloft about fear checks and the like, and hey
    >were
    > great successes.

    > Any thoughts on this idea?

    In it's own way the Shadow World could be even considered a domain of the
    Demiplane of Dread, with the Cold Rider as it's Darklord...and maybe it
    could
    have shaped as a land of nightmare by the invading fiend who exiled the
    halflings from their once livable lands. Why this plane is tied so deeply
    tied to Cerilia, that's a mistery of the times in wich this now dark
    reflection of the BR world came to existance in it's primal and non-evil
    form.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Darklord's domains very small
    indeed, I mean, compared to the size of Cerilia and therefore, the size of
    the Shadow World?

    The RL rules apply just great though.

    Felix
    jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt

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