Info on Aerenwe

[cyrano24100]

I don't know if someone still has that Player's Secreets still from Ashley Harbutt, but I'd love it if they could send it to aerenwe@hotmail.fr (not .com, .fr)

[rvgifford]

Ditto. If anyone has the PS of Aerenwe and would be willing to e-mail it to me, that would be great.

exiledmage@yahoo.com

[Cargaroth]

I'd like to add my name to the list of those looking for Aenemwe info. Please send it to harrisp@missionaustralia.com.au

THanks.

[Autarkis]

Here is what I was able to find from the BR archives (did some google searching).

[Sigmund]

Thanks Autarkis. Looks good.

[cyrano24100]

Thanks.. I think I had bits of this from all sorts of places, this is pretty good.

[kgauck]

I have a related question

Why is the regent of Aerenwe a Queen? When did the regents of Aerenwe get that title and how? Does it mean that they do not recognise the Iron Throne any more? Does it have to do with the fact that Michael's wife was an Aerenwe heir?

I hold that the titles of "duke" and "king" are both of the same rank. The only difference between the titles is that a king claims to be entirely soveriegn, while the dukes acknowledge the overlordship of the Emperor.

In terms of diplomatic protocal, the oldest title takes presedence. In terms of normal prestige, the ruler would be judged by several factors at once, including the antiquity of their title, the size of their realm, the reputed strength of their bloodline, their marriages and alliances, and their reputation. Probabaly or approximatly in this order.

So, by switching from the ducal to the royal title, Aerenwe is both removing itself from any claims to the Iron Throne and stating in advance that it will not recognize any future Emperor as overlord in Aerenwe. In terms of rank, it means nothing, and Aerenwe no doubt dates the origin of its title from when they were made dukes.

[Sigmund]

I hold that the titles of "duke" and "king" are both of the same rank. The only difference between the titles is that a king claims to be entirely soveriegn, while the dukes acknowledge the overlordship of the Emperor.

In terms of diplomatic protocal, the oldest title takes presedence. In terms of normal prestige, the ruler would be judged by several factors at once, including the antiquity of their title, the size of their realm, the reputed strength of their bloodline, their marriages and alliances, and their reputation. Probabaly or approximatly in this order.

So, by switching from the ducal to the royal title, Aerenwe is both removing itself from any claims to the Iron Throne and stating in advance that it will not recognize any future Emperor as overlord in Aerenwe. In terms of rank, it means nothing, and Aerenwe no doubt dates the origin of its title from when they were made dukes.

I really like your idea here. Think I'll adopt it myself.

[Doyle]

It would be interesting to see - if an emporer were crowned, what would be the order of precedence into his / her first royal court.
Some of the older lines have titled themselves as queen or prince - would they need to drop their title in favour of a lesser one to be accepted into the royal presence?
I realise that if one of the current contenders got the crown, it would make a great difference as to the order and some nobles would be moving to another empire rather than give up what they have to one of their rivals.
But say an unknown - not politcally aligned - got the job? Would they all turn up if only to 'test the water'? That first march of royal precedence would have a huge effect on later politics (my assumption anyway).

[AndrewTall]

I think that anyone who is anyone would turn up to the coronation of a new emperor - absence would give rivals a chance to plot and strongly suggest a slight to the new emperor - who will quite possibly want to find a common enemy to focus his subjects minds outwards.

I would say though that it is hard to see a complete unknown getting the job, unless as a figurehead for an established power (say Ghoere).

As regards precedence I think you under-estimate the role of minions, any such event is preceded (barring imminent invasion/war) with days of celebrations to a) get the peasants in the mood to cheer the new emperor and b) give the minions time to agree who will praise the new emperor first, who will bow from the waist and who from the knee, what titles people should use, what colour dress Duchess Brosengae will wear to make sure that it doesn't clash with Princes Aubrae's dress, etc.

It would probably either be at the end of a Sword and Crown (if you don't have the adventure think Olympics crossed with UN summit crossed with Davos) or a similar event.

From a practical point the precedence would basically be the supporters first, the non-supporters too powerful to ignore or who can be bribed with status, and then the others. Whether there was general title inflation - every current duke becomes a prince/king etc or whether the exceptions were ruled down would probably depend on who the supporters were.

Prince Avan, unless the new emperor/marrying Aubrae to the new emperor, would almost certainly ensure that his rank wasn't reduced - so the ranks could go emperor-prince-duke-baron-count-lord

If Duke Boruine/Ghoere then the ranks might be emperor-duke-baron-count-lord

If Aerenwe emperor-king-prince/duke-baron-count-lord-squire-knight.

I note that P7 ROE from the boxed set said that the old system had both dukes and princes, with princes as members of the royal family. (The Avan's are clearly making their claim very public with their rank, while the Boruine maintaining a dignified use of their historic rank).

Andrew