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  1. #1
    Morten Helles

    Detect Lie Versus Unreadable Th

    > Can a character with the detect lie blood ability detect whether a
    > person with the unreadable thoughts is lying ?

    I'd say no. Although I'm not a psychologist I'm pretty certain, that
    when I lie, I'm conscious about it i.e. *thinking* about it. Therefore,
    IMHO, if a person with unreadable thoughts is lying it cannot be
    detected, UNLESS he's a really bad liar, and you can read the lie from
    his face.



  2. #2 (sean

    Detect Lie Versus Unreadable Th

    We had this come up as well. As the unreadable thoughts is supposedto
    protect the player against anyone determining what they are "thinking,
    feeling or planning" I don't see how they could be affected by the detect
    lie (I found this annoying when Lord Dosiere tried to tel if one of my PCs
    was lieing and he pointed this out on his character...:) )


    >This just came up in the last game-session.
    >Can a character with the detect lie blood ability detect wether a person
    >with the unreadable thoughts is lying ?
    >The Unreadable Thoughts entry mentions that the characters thoughts,
    >feelings and plans can not be discerned by ESP. Empathy, Telepathy, or
    >other spells and effects. This would seem to indicate that detect lie
    >doesn't work in this case.
    >The other player argued that detect lie works on the cognizance of not
    >telling the truth, which according to him is not a thought, plan or
    >emotion. Furthermore the detect lie ability worked by picking up the
    >physical indications that betray the telling of a lie (A kind of remote
    >ploygraph test).
    >I am of two minds at the moment so any input would be appreciated.
    >Jan Arnoldus
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    >>'unsubscribe birthright' as the body of the message.

  3. #3
    James H. Jenkins

    Detect Lie Versus Unreadable Th

    Pretend like the unreadable thoughts jams the [Detect Lie].

    it's just like the guys that can control their reactions so well, that a
    polygraph can't be used on them. Such people exist.

    I'd say let the PC with the Unreadable thoughts have it.

    Also, there's another idea that applies here.

    [This is just a story, but I think it applies.]
    In Russia, there was a guy who had done nothing wrong. He was being
    questioned by the KGB for various crimes that the was suspected of:
    Selling Black market stuff from the West, Conspiring with Westerners to
    overthrow the Government, etc. After a month of interogation, nothing
    could be used against him. He was transferred over to a another branch
    of the KGB, that dealt with low-level political prisoners in general.

    Finally, black and blue, the man started to complain, "I'm innocent!"
    Why not let me go?" The ready reaply came: "Comrade, if you are so
    innocent of these crimes of which you are accused, then why are you
    looking as you do?" Eventually, the man was executed, for being an
    embarrassment to the government.

    (This story get a grim laugh in Russia, but probably doesn't survive the

    (We take you now to 1600's mentality:)
    So, it's just like the classic case of witch-hunting. Drown her in a
    tank of water. If she doesn't drown, she's a witch, since it is known
    that they can breathe underwater, and their patron demons can and will
    save them, at which point they can be burned. If they in fact drown,
    then they weren't a witch after all.

    So, when the PC is lying, punish them for the suspicions of being a liar
    that the other PC's have. Remember, this isn't American courtroom
    Justice, innocent until proven guilty, (Well, that's the theory, anyway)
    it's Fuedal Justice: If the King says you're guilty, you swing on a
    rope, or meet the axe head on, for maximum damage, taking you to -10 HP

    - - James h. Jenkins

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