Horses

[dsbrown@is2.dal.c]

My quesion on the subject of these 40GB horses is why does the regent
of a kingdom like Roesone, surrounded by "enemies" on several sides
(Osoerde, Diemed, Ghoere, Spiderfell, etc) not to mention several
greedy guilders (Kalien, el-Hadid and Tane), have 40GB to just toss
away in the first place? I think it is time to invade this overly
wealthy kingdom, or at least a well timed robbery with some portable
holes :)

Sean

[Cec Stacey]

>
> My quesion on the subject of these 40GB horses is why does the regent
> of a kingdom like Roesone, surrounded by "enemies" on several sides
> (Osoerde, Diemed, Ghoere, Spiderfell, etc) not to mention several
> greedy guilders (Kalien, el-Hadid and Tane), have 40GB to just toss
> away in the first place? I think it is time to invade this overly
> wealthy kingdom, or at least a well timed robbery with some portable
> holes :)
>

Look at it from a DM point of view. Do I reward superior role playing like
this with an invasion? BTW, in the campaign situation, Roesone, Aerenwe,
Medore, Osoerde and all the regents inside those countries have an alliance
known as the Pheonix alliance. They don't exist individually - no single
realm would be able to take them on. And Roesone and Ghoere have a
non-agression treaty (see the Ghoere post). And finally, due to a quiet
year and sound financial planning, Roesone DOES have that much money to
burn. How come your realms don't?

[Matthew M. Colville]

>Look at it from a DM point of view. Do I reward superior role playing like
>this with an invasion? BTW, in the campaign situation, Roesone, Aerenwe,
>Medore, Osoerde and all the regents inside those countries have an alliance
>known as the Pheonix alliance. They don't exist individually - no single
>realm would be able to take them on. And Roesone and Ghoere have a
>non-agression treaty (see the Ghoere post). And finally, due to a quiet
>year and sound financial planning, Roesone DOES have that much money to
>burn. How come your realms don't?

OK, someone was bound to say this, it might as well be me.

Saying "I'll buy 'em," when you, the GM, tells your player that the
horses cost 20 GB each is *not* role-playing. Or rather, it is no more
role-playing than saying "I attack," when you, the GM says "There's a bunch
of orcs in front of you."
Role-playing is a process. It's not a statement someone utters.

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[Darkstar]

> My quesion on the subject of these 40GB horses is why does the regent
> of a kingdom like Roesone, surrounded by "enemies" on several sides
> (Osoerde, Diemed, Ghoere, Spiderfell, etc) not to mention several
> greedy guilders (Kalien, el-Hadid and Tane), have 40GB to just toss
> away in the first place? I think it is time to invade this overly
> wealthy kingdom, or at least a well timed robbery with some portable
> holes :)

I know in my campaign the regent of Roesone barely has 40 GB in total to
spend, and that is with a guild under his control.
If my players started spending money like this then the people in their
kingdoms would quickly be up in arms about it, seeing their hard earned
taxes wasted on a couple of horses.
It might also be seen as a signal to other kingdom that Roesone has lots of
money in the treasury and is ripe for invasion.

Ian
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[Cec Stacey]

>
> OK, someone was bound to say this, it might as well be me.
>
> Saying "I'll buy 'em," when you, the GM, tells your player that the
> horses cost 20 GB each is *not* role-playing. Or rather, it is no more
> role-playing than saying "I attack," when you, the GM says "There's a
bunch
> of orcs in front of you."
> Role-playing is a process. It's not a statement someone utters.
>
Sorry to rain on your parade, but I kinda picked up on what you're talking
about in my 17 years of DMing. The whole "process" actually took about a
half-hour, not counting how long the other characters discussed it, trying
to talk the baron out of the deal. Due to space constraints, I didn't
email the whole conversation, because I didn't want to fill everyone's
mailbox with a 1/2 meg file.

[Matthew Colville]

Cec Stacey wrote:
>
> >
> > OK, someone was bound to say this, it might as well be me.
> >
> > Saying "I'll buy 'em," when you, the GM, tells your player that the
> > horses cost 20 GB each is *not* role-playing. Or rather, it is no more
> > role-playing than saying "I attack," when you, the GM says "There's a
> bunch
> > of orcs in front of you."
> > Role-playing is a process. It's not a statement someone utters.
> >
> Sorry to rain on your parade, but I kinda picked up on what you're talking
> about in my 17 years of DMing. The whole "process" actually took about a
> half-hour, not counting how long the other characters discussed it, trying
> to talk the baron out of the deal. Due to space constraints, I didn't
> email the whole conversation, because I didn't want to fill everyone's
> mailbox with a 1/2 meg file.
>of the message.

So when you said: "Now *that's* role-playing." You meant; "Now that's
*not* role-playing. . .but this other thing I didn't tell you guys about
is!"

How long does it take your player to say "I'll buy 'em?"

[Paul Lagerlow]

At 04:20 PM 6/4/97 +0930, you wrote:
>
>
>> My quesion on the subject of these 40GB horses is why does the regent
>> of a kingdom like Roesone, surrounded by "enemies" on several sides
>> (Osoerde, Diemed, Ghoere, Spiderfell, etc) not to mention several
>> greedy guilders (Kalien, el-Hadid and Tane), have 40GB to just toss
>> away in the first place? I think it is time to invade this overly
>> wealthy kingdom, or at least a well timed robbery with some portable
>> holes :)
>
>I know in my campaign the regent of Roesone barely has 40 GB in total to
>spend, and that is with a guild under his control.
>If my players started spending money like this then the people in their
>kingdoms would quickly be up in arms about it, seeing their hard earned
>taxes wasted on a couple of horses.
>It might also be seen as a signal to other kingdom that Roesone has lots of
>money in the treasury and is ripe for invasion.
>
>Ian
>_______________________________________________
>************************************************* **************************
>>
well everyone else has compared there own games...so i might as well...my
richist player could prob afford it (having saved for many a turn) however
if they could afford that easily and without difficulty. then wouldnt that
mean a announcement not only to surrounding nations but also every
thief/brigand/bandit within the vincinity of the player? Ever event that
could possibly be warped to drain the players funds..should be done
so...corruption??? that official just nicked 10gb's from the treasury and
fleed into ghore...of course sire we must mount that expensive expetition to
find him or else it will encourage others!! if your players are
millionares..treat them like they are...have every two bit ruler nagging
them for money to support there alliances and if they refuse quickly isolate
them...if there so powerful that they can do what they want and dont give a
shit about any other nation...get the merchants (yes they may control the
merchant guilds but not the MERCHANTS) asking for money.....there are a
million ways to get them back to acceptable level.
good roleplaying would be best seen..in the players trying to counteract
these 'disturbances' not throwing money in a fireplace, whats 40gb to
someone who has 120 and can replace it in 2 turns? not exactly going to be a
tense discision is it.

regards
paul
http://cq-pan/students/paull3

[L.Willett]

Personally, I like to see more BR players concern themselves with things
like horses (or whatever is their fancy...). Especially that group of
players who treat BR as just another player-vs-player wargame (such as the
computer game Warcraft...).





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[Cec Stacey]

, whats 40gb to
> someone who has 120 and can replace it in 2 turns? not exactly going to
be a
> tense discision is it.
>

I kinda equated it to having an adventuring character, who has amassed a
horde of money, blowing it on dragonscale armor, or maybe a nice castle, or
even a griffon for every member of the party. Tell me, what's the
difference?

Remember, that in medieval times, the "kingdom treasury" belonged to the
king. The LAND belonged to the king, and the dukes, barons etc...
"borrowed" it in the fuedal vassalage agreement. In essence, everything in
the kingdom belonged to the king (except for yeomen), so if he wants to
blow it, who's to care? Or even know? The lowly peasant only cares that
he has food on his table and a place to sleep. And there was no decree
that "The Baron of Roesone has foolishly blown half of his kingdom's
treasury on a pair of horses! All two-bit despots and usurpers please step
up to the blue wicket for invasion plans!"

[Gregoire Alexandre Segui]

>, whats 40gb to
>> someone who has 120 and can replace it in 2 turns? not exactly going to
>be a
>> tense discision is it.
>>
>
>I kinda equated it to having an adventuring character, who has amassed a
>horde of money, blowing it on dragonscale armor, or maybe a nice castle, or
>even a griffon for every member of the party. Tell me, what's the
>difference?
Ok, here we go:

Dragonscale armor: will last as long as your character in most cases. Why
bother with anything less? It's durable, beautiful and useful. May even
keep you alive.

Nice Castle: Useful, proof of great feats, luxury and will last way past
your character's lifetime in normal situations.

Griffon for everyone: Luxury, will last some time. Use is extreme in
prestige, movement and things you can accomplish are now far greater.

Race horses: Stay in their prime only for about four years, then start
having problems with legs and hooves. Muscle flesh deteriorates much
faster than normal horses because of the strain of the training. Live up
to seven years max. The only advantage is that if they never get hurt,
they might win a couple of time, and get you a couple of those gold bars
back for caring for them in the pits.

Gregoire Alexandre Seguin