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  1. #1
    dsbrown@is2.dal.c
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    Horses

    My quesion on the subject of these 40GB horses is why does the regent
    of a kingdom like Roesone, surrounded by "enemies" on several sides
    (Osoerde, Diemed, Ghoere, Spiderfell, etc) not to mention several
    greedy guilders (Kalien, el-Hadid and Tane), have 40GB to just toss
    away in the first place? I think it is time to invade this overly
    wealthy kingdom, or at least a well timed robbery with some portable
    holes :)

    Sean

  2. #2
    Cec Stacey
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    Horses

    >
    > My quesion on the subject of these 40GB horses is why does the regent
    > of a kingdom like Roesone, surrounded by "enemies" on several sides
    > (Osoerde, Diemed, Ghoere, Spiderfell, etc) not to mention several
    > greedy guilders (Kalien, el-Hadid and Tane), have 40GB to just toss
    > away in the first place? I think it is time to invade this overly
    > wealthy kingdom, or at least a well timed robbery with some portable
    > holes :)
    >

    Look at it from a DM point of view. Do I reward superior role playing like
    this with an invasion? BTW, in the campaign situation, Roesone, Aerenwe,
    Medore, Osoerde and all the regents inside those countries have an alliance
    known as the Pheonix alliance. They don't exist individually - no single
    realm would be able to take them on. And Roesone and Ghoere have a
    non-agression treaty (see the Ghoere post). And finally, due to a quiet
    year and sound financial planning, Roesone DOES have that much money to
    burn. How come your realms don't?

  3. #3
    Matthew M. Colville
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    Horses

    >Look at it from a DM point of view. Do I reward superior role playing like
    >this with an invasion? BTW, in the campaign situation, Roesone, Aerenwe,
    >Medore, Osoerde and all the regents inside those countries have an alliance
    >known as the Pheonix alliance. They don't exist individually - no single
    >realm would be able to take them on. And Roesone and Ghoere have a
    >non-agression treaty (see the Ghoere post). And finally, due to a quiet
    >year and sound financial planning, Roesone DOES have that much money to
    >burn. How come your realms don't?

    OK, someone was bound to say this, it might as well be me.

    Saying "I'll buy 'em," when you, the GM, tells your player that the
    horses cost 20 GB each is *not* role-playing. Or rather, it is no more
    role-playing than saying "I attack," when you, the GM says "There's a bunch
    of orcs in front of you."
    Role-playing is a process. It's not a statement someone utters.

    - ---------------------- ---------------------------
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    mcolville@earthlink.net The Shintao Monks fight against the
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  4. #4
    Darkstar
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    Horses

    > My quesion on the subject of these 40GB horses is why does the regent
    > of a kingdom like Roesone, surrounded by "enemies" on several sides
    > (Osoerde, Diemed, Ghoere, Spiderfell, etc) not to mention several
    > greedy guilders (Kalien, el-Hadid and Tane), have 40GB to just toss
    > away in the first place? I think it is time to invade this overly
    > wealthy kingdom, or at least a well timed robbery with some portable
    > holes :)

    I know in my campaign the regent of Roesone barely has 40 GB in total to
    spend, and that is with a guild under his control.
    If my players started spending money like this then the people in their
    kingdoms would quickly be up in arms about it, seeing their hard earned
    taxes wasted on a couple of horses.
    It might also be seen as a signal to other kingdom that Roesone has lots of
    money in the treasury and is ripe for invasion.

    Ian
    _______________________________________________

  5. #5
    Cec Stacey
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    Horses

    >
    > OK, someone was bound to say this, it might as well be me.
    >
    > Saying "I'll buy 'em," when you, the GM, tells your player that the
    > horses cost 20 GB each is *not* role-playing. Or rather, it is no more
    > role-playing than saying "I attack," when you, the GM says "There's a
    bunch
    > of orcs in front of you."
    > Role-playing is a process. It's not a statement someone utters.
    >
    Sorry to rain on your parade, but I kinda picked up on what you're talking
    about in my 17 years of DMing. The whole "process" actually took about a
    half-hour, not counting how long the other characters discussed it, trying
    to talk the baron out of the deal. Due to space constraints, I didn't
    email the whole conversation, because I didn't want to fill everyone's
    mailbox with a 1/2 meg file.

  6. #6
    Matthew Colville
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    Horses

    Cec Stacey wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > OK, someone was bound to say this, it might as well be me.
    > >
    > > Saying "I'll buy 'em," when you, the GM, tells your player that the
    > > horses cost 20 GB each is *not* role-playing. Or rather, it is no more
    > > role-playing than saying "I attack," when you, the GM says "There's a
    > bunch
    > > of orcs in front of you."
    > > Role-playing is a process. It's not a statement someone utters.
    > >
    > Sorry to rain on your parade, but I kinda picked up on what you're talking
    > about in my 17 years of DMing. The whole "process" actually took about a
    > half-hour, not counting how long the other characters discussed it, trying
    > to talk the baron out of the deal. Due to space constraints, I didn't
    > email the whole conversation, because I didn't want to fill everyone's
    > mailbox with a 1/2 meg file.
    >of the message.

    So when you said: "Now *that's* role-playing." You meant; "Now that's
    *not* role-playing. . .but this other thing I didn't tell you guys about
    is!"

    How long does it take your player to say "I'll buy 'em?"

  7. #7
    Paul Lagerlow
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    Horses

    At 04:20 PM 6/4/97 +0930, you wrote:
    >
    >
    >> My quesion on the subject of these 40GB horses is why does the regent
    >> of a kingdom like Roesone, surrounded by "enemies" on several sides
    >> (Osoerde, Diemed, Ghoere, Spiderfell, etc) not to mention several
    >> greedy guilders (Kalien, el-Hadid and Tane), have 40GB to just toss
    >> away in the first place? I think it is time to invade this overly
    >> wealthy kingdom, or at least a well timed robbery with some portable
    >> holes :)
    >
    >I know in my campaign the regent of Roesone barely has 40 GB in total to
    >spend, and that is with a guild under his control.
    >If my players started spending money like this then the people in their
    >kingdoms would quickly be up in arms about it, seeing their hard earned
    >taxes wasted on a couple of horses.
    >It might also be seen as a signal to other kingdom that Roesone has lots of
    >money in the treasury and is ripe for invasion.
    >
    >Ian
    >_______________________________________________
    >************************************************* **************************
    >>
    well everyone else has compared there own games...so i might as well...my
    richist player could prob afford it (having saved for many a turn) however
    if they could afford that easily and without difficulty. then wouldnt that
    mean a announcement not only to surrounding nations but also every
    thief/brigand/bandit within the vincinity of the player? Ever event that
    could possibly be warped to drain the players funds..should be done
    so...corruption??? that official just nicked 10gb's from the treasury and
    fleed into ghore...of course sire we must mount that expensive expetition to
    find him or else it will encourage others!! if your players are
    millionares..treat them like they are...have every two bit ruler nagging
    them for money to support there alliances and if they refuse quickly isolate
    them...if there so powerful that they can do what they want and dont give a
    shit about any other nation...get the merchants (yes they may control the
    merchant guilds but not the MERCHANTS) asking for money.....there are a
    million ways to get them back to acceptable level.
    good roleplaying would be best seen..in the players trying to counteract
    these 'disturbances' not throwing money in a fireplace, whats 40gb to
    someone who has 120 and can replace it in 2 turns? not exactly going to be a
    tense discision is it.

    regards
    paul
    http://cq-pan/students/paull3

  8. #8
    L.Willett
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    Horses

    Personally, I like to see more BR players concern themselves with things
    like horses (or whatever is their fancy...). Especially that group of
    players who treat BR as just another player-vs-player wargame (such as the
    computer game Warcraft...).





    -

  9. #9
    Cec Stacey
    Guest

    Horses

    , whats 40gb to
    > someone who has 120 and can replace it in 2 turns? not exactly going to
    be a
    > tense discision is it.
    >

    I kinda equated it to having an adventuring character, who has amassed a
    horde of money, blowing it on dragonscale armor, or maybe a nice castle, or
    even a griffon for every member of the party. Tell me, what's the
    difference?

    Remember, that in medieval times, the "kingdom treasury" belonged to the
    king. The LAND belonged to the king, and the dukes, barons etc...
    "borrowed" it in the fuedal vassalage agreement. In essence, everything in
    the kingdom belonged to the king (except for yeomen), so if he wants to
    blow it, who's to care? Or even know? The lowly peasant only cares that
    he has food on his table and a place to sleep. And there was no decree
    that "The Baron of Roesone has foolishly blown half of his kingdom's
    treasury on a pair of horses! All two-bit despots and usurpers please step
    up to the blue wicket for invasion plans!"

  10. #10
    Gregoire Alexandre Segui
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    Horses

    >, whats 40gb to
    >> someone who has 120 and can replace it in 2 turns? not exactly going to
    >be a
    >> tense discision is it.
    >>
    >
    >I kinda equated it to having an adventuring character, who has amassed a
    >horde of money, blowing it on dragonscale armor, or maybe a nice castle, or
    >even a griffon for every member of the party. Tell me, what's the
    >difference?
    Ok, here we go:

    Dragonscale armor: will last as long as your character in most cases. Why
    bother with anything less? It's durable, beautiful and useful. May even
    keep you alive.

    Nice Castle: Useful, proof of great feats, luxury and will last way past
    your character's lifetime in normal situations.

    Griffon for everyone: Luxury, will last some time. Use is extreme in
    prestige, movement and things you can accomplish are now far greater.

    Race horses: Stay in their prime only for about four years, then start
    having problems with legs and hooves. Muscle flesh deteriorates much
    faster than normal horses because of the strain of the training. Live up
    to seven years max. The only advantage is that if they never get hurt,
    they might win a couple of time, and get you a couple of those gold bars
    back for caring for them in the pits.

    Gregoire Alexandre Seguin

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