Alternate Battle Resolution Rul

[johnpost@umich.ed]

GURPS Mass Combat system is what I use. It is available in the
Compendium II rules book, a general guide for GMs. Most of the
other books which include the Mass Combat system are out of print.

johnpost@umich.edu

On Wed, 28 May 1997 13:21:21 trustno1@atcon.com (L.Willett) wrote:

> I use GURPS's mass combat system. It uses a single roll to determine
>the
>outcome of the battle, and takes quite a bit into consideration; its
>not a
>good as fighting out the whole battle with Gygax's Chainmail rules
>(anyone
>else remember this one?), or some other minature wargame rules, or of
>coursse the war cards stuff; but its fairly fast and accurate, great
>for BR,
> One of the best things about it is that it allows for individual
>characters to influence the outcome (and risk their necks in the
>process);
>be they just heroic soldiers on the front line, or a great strategist,
>or a
>spell user.
> I'd recommend to anyone interested to check it out (you'd have to find
>a
>GURPS supplement, like Gurps Conan or Horseclans, as the mass combat
>rules
>arn't in the main rule book, but maybe they are in the latest
>edition...).
>
> Is anyone else using them ?
> If so write me privately, I'd like to share modifications.
>
>
> Someone (a ways back) was talking about the size of battles. Here's
>some
>data on Agincourt (a definitive battle of european history, fyi), 25
>October 1415.
> England's, 27 year old, king Henry V, had 25 to 30 archer units, and 5
>infantry (or irregular) units under his command. With the advantages
>of
>terrain & weather and lots of other stuff deserving the discussions of
>an
>entire mailing list itself, he was able to defeat the following french
>forces.
> Figures on the french vary greatly (from 50 to _1,000_ units!)
>depending
>on the author. A well argued amount of 75 units is generally accepted
>in
>some circles.
> 5 knights (or possibly cavalry)
> 40 crossbowmen units
> 30 infantry units
>[figures taken from - 'The Face of Battle: A Study of Agincourt,
>Waterloo
>and the Somme', John Keegan, Penguin Books, '76]
>
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[Cec Stacey]

> Someone (a ways back) was talking about the size of battles. Here's
some
> data on Agincourt (a definitive battle of european history, fyi), 25
> October 1415.
> England's, 27 year old, king Henry V, had 25 to 30 archer units, and 5
> infantry (or irregular) units under his command. With the advantages of
> terrain & weather and lots of other stuff deserving the discussions of an
> entire mailing list itself, he was able to defeat the following french
forces.
> Figures on the french vary greatly (from 50 to _1,000_ units!) depending
> on the author. A well argued amount of 75 units is generally accepted in
> some circles.
> 5 knights (or possibly cavalry)
> 40 crossbowmen units
> 30 infantry units
> [figures taken from - 'The Face of Battle: A Study of Agincourt, Waterloo
> and the Somme', John Keegan, Penguin Books, '76]
>
>
> How large was a "unit"? (BTW, it was me talking about the HUGE battles
we were having!)

[dsbrown@is2.dal.c]

> > England's, 27 year old, king Henry V, had 25 to 30 archer units, and 5
> > infantry (or irregular) units under his command. With the advantages of
> > terrain & weather and lots of other stuff deserving the discussions of an
> > entire mailing list itself, he was able to defeat the following french forces.
> > Figures on the french vary greatly (from 50 to _1,000_ units!) depending
> > on the author. A well argued amount of 75 units is generally accepted in
> > some circles.
> > 5 knights (or possibly cavalry)
> > 40 crossbowmen units
> > 30 infantry units
> > [figures taken from - 'The Face of Battle: A Study of Agincourt, Waterloo
> > and the Somme', John Keegan, Penguin Books, '76]
>
> I'm not sure the battle involved 70-75,000 men on the English side,
> and 150,000 on the French. Are you sure of the maths there?
>
English 30 units *200 men/unit= 6000 men
French= 75 units*200 men/unit=15000 men

[johnpost@umich.ed]

On Thu, 29 May 1997 15:48:01 GMT RickardsJ@cardiff.ac.uk (JOHN RICKARDS)
wrote:

>
>> England's, 27 year old, king Henry V, had 25 to 30 archer units, and
>5
>> infantry (or irregular) units under his command. With the advantages
>of
>> terrain & weather and lots of other stuff deserving the discussions
>of an
>> entire mailing list itself, he was able to defeat the following
>french forces.
>> Figures on the french vary greatly (from 50 to _1,000_ units!)
>depending
>> on the author. A well argued amount of 75 units is generally
>accepted in
>> some circles.
>> 5 knights (or possibly cavalry)
>> 40 crossbowmen units
>> 30 infantry units
>> [figures taken from - 'The Face of Battle: A Study of Agincourt,
>Waterloo
>> and the Somme', John Keegan, Penguin Books, '76]
>


>I'm not sure the battle involved 70-75,000 men on the English side,
>and 150,000 on the French. Are you sure of the maths there?
>
>John Rickards
>

Are you sure of your math?? Last I knew 30-35 English Units is
30*200=6,000
35*200=7,000. French estimates are 75 units or 75*200=15,000. An
infantry
unit, a company is omposed of around 200 troops. Cavalry is usually a
lot
less, two hundred knights don't tend to travel around together. Knights
are a stong willed lot and like to do their own thing, plus commanders
like them to be in smaller more manageable numbers.

John Post

[Brian Stoner]

At 06:27 AM 5/29/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>
>> > How large was a "unit"? (BTW, it was me talking about the HUGE battles
>> >we were having!)
>>
>> Suppose I should of included that...
>> I used the standard 200 soldiers per unit scale.
>>
>> How big were the battles you were having ?
>>
>

[Robert Ripley]

Cec Stacey wrote:

> > > How large was a "unit"? (BTW, it was me talking about the HUGE
> battles
> > >we were having!)
> >
> > Suppose I should of included that...
> > I used the standard 200 soldiers per unit scale.
> >
> > How big were the battles you were having ?
> >
> -
>

[JOHN RICKARDS]

> >I'm not sure the battle involved 70-75,000 men on the English side,
> >and 150,000 on the French. Are you sure of the maths there?
> >
> >John Rickards
> >
>
> Are you sure of your math?? Last I knew 30-35 English Units is
> 30*200=6,000
> 35*200=7,000. French estimates are 75 units or 75*200=15,000. An
> infantry
> unit, a company is omposed of around 200 troops. Cavalry is usually a
> lot
> less, two hundred knights don't tend to travel around together. Knights
> are a stong willed lot and like to do their own thing, plus commanders
> like them to be in smaller more manageable numbers.

Yeah, I realised I'd worked that out wrong on my way home just after
sending it. Guess that's me flunked my maths exam this summer then.

;-)


John Rickards

"He who is looking for something has lost something."
"And he who is not looking?"
"He gets run over."



PS. Dan. Hahahahaha.

[Darkstar]

> From: JOHN RICKARDS

> > England's, 27 year old, king Henry V, had 25 to 30 archer units, and 5
> > infantry (or irregular) units under his command. With the advantages
of
> > terrain & weather and lots of other stuff deserving the discussions of
an
> > entire mailing list itself, he was able to defeat the following french
forces.
> > Figures on the french vary greatly (from 50 to _1,000_ units!)
depending
> > on the author. A well argued amount of 75 units is generally accepted
in
> > some circles.
> > 5 knights (or possibly cavalry)
> > 40 crossbowmen units
> > 30 infantry units
> > [figures taken from - 'The Face of Battle: A Study of Agincourt,
Waterloo
> > and the Somme', John Keegan, Penguin Books, '76]
>
> I'm not sure the battle involved 70-75,000 men on the English side,
> and 150,000 on the French. Are you sure of the maths there?

In the battle of Agincourt there were 6,000 English soldier and about
18,000 French, so still a far few soldiers. Comparing it to Birthright that
would mean about 30 units of Engish soldier and 90 French unit, based on
200/unit.