What`s happen if...

[dsbrown@is2.dal.c]

> I need an help cause i'm without my rulebook, what happen if a regent of a
> realm die without heirs ? if was a scion who killed him what happen to his
> land ? Who can take his lands ? How ?
> I can't remember if an investiture can be made with the fromer regent died
> or no, and if no how someone can take the land.
> I have the feeling that the answear is terrible easy, but i can't find it.

Well, this would depend on whether or not the regent was the last of
his/her line, and if they died by bloodtheft. If this is the case
then the killer gains 1BL/5 of the dead guy, and killer gets all RPs.
The dead guys holdings then become uncontrolled (which I think is
what you were asking about), in that they are available for anyone to claim them. The book doesn't say
specifically ( at least not that I could find in my cursory look),
but I play it that all holdings are effectively reduced to zero (that
chaos of losing the ruler ,infighting over who will lead, etc), and
the provinces stay at their original level, but must be invested
(though invasion or some other method of assuming the leadership of
the land) before they can rule.

[Robin Cantin]

From Nadastor:
>I need an help cause i'm without my rulebook, what happen if a regent of a
>realm die without heirs ? if was a scion who killed him what happen to his
>land ? Who can take his lands ? How ?

Surprisingly, I don't find anything in the Rulebook to deal with this
situation. Anyone luckier (or more knowledgeable)? It doesn't seem to make
a difference wether he was killed by a scion. a bear or a grand piano
falling from the 34th floor, as far as domain ownership is concerned.
There's no way (in the rules) you can take a domain by killing the regent.

If there's an heir, regency transfer seems to be automatic. "Wow, I feel
great! Father must have been killed!" With no heir is sight, I suppose the
only way to take the domain is by occupation, then investiture. Weither
troops automatically disband since no one pays them seems to be subject to
speculation.

>I can't remember if an investiture can be made with the fromer regent died
>or no, and if no how someone can take the land.

According to the Rulebook (p. 57), "an entire domain or realm under one
regent can be invested, but only if the regent to be divested is alive and
physically present at the ceremony". It seems a Speak with Dead spell won't
even do the trick.

As a province can't be invested without the consent of its owner, it seems
the only way is the old occupation/investiture procedure.

>I have the feeling that the answear is terrible easy, but i can't find it.

If it's easy, I completely missed the mark! Hope it helps anyway.

Robin


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[Matthew M. Colville]

>>From Nadastor:
>>I need an help cause i'm without my rulebook, what happen if a regent of a
>>realm die without heirs ? if was a scion who killed him what happen to his
>>land ? Who can take his lands ? How ?
>
>Surprisingly, I don't find anything in the Rulebook to deal with this
>situation.

Neither did I, and I looked pretty hard.

This is what I figured: People vie for the throne, Preists, working
for different factions, invest different pretenders to the throne, each of
whom gains different levels of RP depending on how many people believe he
should be the next regent.
What happens next, I have no idea. How do I go from having some
people believe that I'm the best choice for the job, to running the
province?

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[Nadastor]

At 18.29 27/05/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>>From Nadastor:
>>>I need an help cause i'm without my rulebook, what happen if a regent of a
>>>realm die without heirs ? if was a scion who killed him what happen to his
>>>land ? Who can take his lands ? How ?
>>
>>Surprisingly, I don't find anything in the Rulebook to deal with this
>>situation.
>
> Neither did I, and I looked pretty hard.
>
> This is what I figured: People vie for the throne, Preists, working
>for different factions, invest different pretenders to the throne, each of
>whom gains different levels of RP depending on how many people believe he
>should be the next regent.
> What happens next, I have no idea. How do I go from having some
>people believe that I'm the best choice for the job, to running the
>province?
>
>

There are a lot of ways, one and surely most used is by force...

Nadastor, Wizard of the Black Robes
"The power of a man is not in his hands, but in his eyes !
His life is not into his body, but into his mind !
The world is not around him, but is in him !"

[Nadastor]

Thanks to all of you, it will surely help.

I think to do like this :
The regent die, the killer, as he is a scion, killing him by piercing his
heart take his Blood point (1/5) cause the regent it's really without heirs.
After that the realm fall into chaos, and everywhere the former vassal of
the regent raise armies.
The killer, wanting to reunite the realm under his rule has to conquer all
the provinces and then to find a priest to invest him.
In killing the regent i think not to give killer his rp, cause he is in
noways an heir to the realm and there are other pretendents


Nadastor, Wizard of the Black Robes
"The power of a man is not in his hands, but in his eyes !
His life is not into his body, but into his mind !
The world is not around him, but is in him !"

[dsbrown@is2.dal.c]

> The regent die, the killer, as he is a scion, killing him by piercing his
> heart take his Blood point (1/5) cause the regent it's really without heirs.
> After that the realm fall into chaos, and everywhere the former vassal of
> the regent raise armies.
> The killer, wanting to reunite the realm under his rule has to conquer all
> the provinces and then to find a priest to invest him.
> In killing the regent i think not to give killer his rp, cause he is in
> noways an heir to the realm and there are other pretendents

Just to point out, however, if the regent killed by piercing through
the heart is the last of his/her line, the killer is "supposed" to
get the victem's RP's as well (I guess its part of the tie to the
realm, etc.) You don't have to use it of course, but it was just a
reminder that it is what is written in the rules.

Sean