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  1. #1
    Undertaker
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    Sub-Races

    Greetings,
    As far as I can tell BR does not have any of the standard sub-Races of
    Demihumans(Drow, Derro, etc.). I know this is because each of the standard
    Demihuman races has been modified to be unique to BR. But several of my PCs
    have started asking about running a Cerilian Drow, and such. For the time I
    have said no, but knowing my Players this will not stop them from asking
    again. So I have been thinking that prehaps there could be a way to make
    Cerilian versions of these sub-Races. Of course they would be extremly rare,
    prehaps even unique themselves. What I'm wondering is what everyone thinks
    about the idea, and if you were going to do this what ablities should they
    have, and what shouldn't they have? I'm reffering to any and all sub-Races
    not just Drow. I don't want to create a race that unbalances the game
    setting, as I'm sure they weren't included in the first place just for this
    reason.

    Undertaker, richt@metrolink.net

    "War is a matter of vital importance to the State;
    the province of life or death;
    the road to survival or ruin.
    It is mandatory that it be thoroughly studied."
    -Sun Tzu,(The Art of War)-

  2. #2
    Trevor Romkey
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    Sub-Races

    At 06:30 PM 20/05/97 -0400, you wrote:
    >Greetings,
    >As far as I can tell BR does not have any of the standard sub-Races of
    >Demihumans(Drow, Derro, etc.). I know this is because each of the standard
    >Demihuman races has been modified to be unique to BR. But several of my PCs
    >have started asking about running a Cerilian Drow, and such. For the time I
    >have said no, but knowing my Players this will not stop them from asking
    >again. So I have been thinking that prehaps there could be a way to make
    >Cerilian versions of these sub-Races. Of course they would be extremly rare,
    >prehaps even unique themselves. What I'm wondering is what everyone thinks
    >about the idea, and if you were going to do this what ablities should they
    >have, and what shouldn't they have? I'm reffering to any and all sub-Races
    >not just Drow. I don't want to create a race that unbalances the game
    >setting, as I'm sure they weren't included in the first place just for this
    >reason.
    >
    >Undertaker, richt@metrolink.net
    >
    Well there is mention of an Underdark city of Elves, in the module Warlock
    of the Stonecrowns, this city, Amantyr, is said to be the final retreat for
    the Azrai allied elves. It wouldn't be much of a streatch to have them
    corrupted by Azrai's influence( or some such thing...) and given Drow stats...

  3. #3
    Trevor Romkey
    Guest

    Sub-Races

    At 06:30 PM 20/05/97 -0400, you wrote:
    >Greetings,
    >As far as I can tell BR does not have any of the standard sub-Races of
    >Demihumans(Drow, Derro, etc.). I know this is because each of the standard
    >Demihuman races has been modified to be unique to BR. But several of my PCs
    >have started asking about running a Cerilian Drow, and such. For the time I
    >have said no, but knowing my Players this will not stop them from asking
    >again. So I have been thinking that prehaps there could be a way to make
    >Cerilian versions of these sub-Races. Of course they would be extremly rare,
    >prehaps even unique themselves. What I'm wondering is what everyone thinks
    >about the idea, and if you were going to do this what ablities should they
    >have, and what shouldn't they have? I'm reffering to any and all sub-Races
    >not just Drow. I don't want to create a race that unbalances the game
    >setting, as I'm sure they weren't included in the first place just for this
    >reason.
    >
    >Undertaker, richt@metrolink.net
    >
    Well there is mention of an Underdark city of Elves, in the module Warlock
    of the Stonecrowns, this city, Amantyr, is said to be the final retreat for
    the Azrai allied elves. It wouldn't be much of a streatch to have them
    corrupted by Azrai's influence( or some such thing...) and given Drow stats...

  4. #4
    Brian Stoner
    Guest

    Sub-Races

    At 06:30 PM 5/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
    >Greetings,
    >As far as I can tell BR does not have any of the standard sub-Races of
    >Demihumans(Drow, Derro, etc.). I know this is because each of the standard
    >Demihuman races has been modified to be unique to BR. But several of my PCs
    >have started asking about running a Cerilian Drow, and such. For the time I
    >have said no, but knowing my Players this will not stop them from asking
    >again. So I have been thinking that prehaps there could be a way to make
    >Cerilian versions of these sub-Races. Of course they would be extremly rare,
    >prehaps even unique themselves. What I'm wondering is what everyone thinks
    >about the idea, and if you were going to do this what ablities should they
    >have, and what shouldn't they have? I'm reffering to any and all sub-Races
    >not just Drow. I don't want to create a race that unbalances the game
    >setting, as I'm sure they weren't included in the first place just for this
    >reason.
    >
    >Undertaker, richt@metrolink.net
    >

    Although we have not done much with it, my players and I have discussed how
    the Manslayer and his followers resemble the Drow. Certainly they have not
    yet developed into full Drow. Perhaps they are "proto-Drow". And, given
    enough time, they will develop into Drow. Other than that, however, we have
    not discussed much about sub-Races.

    - -Brian

  5. #5
    Krazy Kat
    Guest

    Sub-Races

    On Tue, 20 May 1997, Undertaker wrote:

    > As far as I can tell BR does not have any of the standard sub-Races of
    > Demihumans(Drow, Derro, etc.). I know this is because each of the standard
    > Demihuman races has been modified to be unique to BR. But several of my PCs
    > have started asking about running a Cerilian Drow, and such.

    Unless you already have somthing in the works about Aduria, you could very
    easily say that the characters are outcasts from there. They obviouly
    wouldn't be regents, but they could be scions.
    - -Ken

  6. #6
    Trevor Romkey
    Guest

    Sub-Races

    At 06:30 PM 20/05/97 -0400, you wrote:
    >Greetings,
    >As far as I can tell BR does not have any of the standard sub-Races of
    >Demihumans(Drow, Derro, etc.). I know this is because each of the standard
    >Demihuman races has been modified to be unique to BR. But several of my PCs
    >have started asking about running a Cerilian Drow, and such. For the time I
    >have said no, but knowing my Players this will not stop them from asking
    >again. So I have been thinking that prehaps there could be a way to make
    >Cerilian versions of these sub-Races. Of course they would be extremly rare,
    >prehaps even unique themselves. What I'm wondering is what everyone thinks
    >about the idea, and if you were going to do this what ablities should they
    >have, and what shouldn't they have? I'm reffering to any and all sub-Races
    >not just Drow. I don't want to create a race that unbalances the game
    >setting, as I'm sure they weren't included in the first place just for this
    >reason.
    >
    >Undertaker, richt@metrolink.net
    >
    Well there is mention of an Underdark city of Elves, in the module Warlock
    of the Stonecrowns, this city, Amantyr, is said to be the final retreat for
    the Azrai allied elves. It wouldn't be much of a streatch to have them
    corrupted by Azrai's influence( or some such thing...) and given Drow stats...

  7. #7
    David Sean Brown
    Guest

    Sub-Races

    > Firstly, I know you asked for general opinions, but I'll focus on the
    > Drow as this question has appeared in my campaign a lot as well. This
    > was my solution.
    >
    > The Drow are probably the most difficult of the Sub-Races to import to
    > Cerilia due to the Highly Religious nature of their Society/Cretion.
    > Without the conflict between Corellon and Llolth (Elven Gods), there
    > would have been no schism amongst the elves and thus the Llolth faction
    > would not have gone underground and become Drow.
    > Having Said that, it is "possible" that when Humans first came to
    > Cerilia and into conflict with the Elves, that a large group of elves
    > were cut off from their bretheren and surrounded by Humans. With no
    > place else to go, they were forced to retreat underground for safety.
    > The tribe found refuge in a great cavern deep below the Stonecrown
    > Mountains and settled it. Unknown to the elves at first, the cavern
    > emanated strange energies that went to work altering the elves. Now, a
    > mere few generations later, the tribe is unrecognisable, their skin has
    > turned jet black and their hair snow white. Some of the most recently
    > born Drow - as they are now calling themselves - have begun to exhibit
    > strange powers.
    > One of my players chose to play a young Proto-Drow who decided to see
    > what was happening on the surface and if the hated Hu-Mans were still
    > around. As the Proto-Drow were still evolving, they could only use their
    > lowest level innate ability (I don't have the book here & honestly can't
    > remember what it is).
    > The same sort of thing could be done to Dwarves driven far underground
    > by Orog Hordes, etc allowing you to create Derro or Duergar. This could
    > probably work with other races as well if you wanrted.

    To be honest, I had thought about this too, and sort of came to the
    conclusion that there really weren't any sub-races among the demi-humans
    of Cerilia. I couldn't find anything in the histories to warrent any sort
    of division among the elves, dwarves, etc that would result in the
    formation of a new race similar to the Drow or the Derro. I did start
    thinking that there may be somthing similar to what has happened to the
    humans, with geographicla area influencing the lifestyles (this may result
    in different modifiers to stats, and a different way of behaving but the
    basic abilities would remain the same.).

    Anyway, just wanted to toss my hat in the ring on the subject.

    Sean

  8. #8
    cmurphy@staterail.nsw.go
    Guest

    Sub-Races

    Undertaker wrote:
    >
    > Greetings,
    > As far as I can tell BR does not have any of the standard sub-Races of
    > Demihumans(Drow, Derro, etc.). I know this is because each of the standard
    > Demihuman races has been modified to be unique to BR. But several of my PCs
    > have started asking about running a Cerilian Drow, and such. For the time I
    > have said no, but knowing my Players this will not stop them from asking
    > again. So I have been thinking that prehaps there could be a way to make
    > Cerilian versions of these sub-Races. Of course they would be extremly rare,
    > prehaps even unique themselves. What I'm wondering is what everyone thinks
    > about the idea, and if you were going to do this what ablities should they
    > have, and what shouldn't they have? I'm reffering to any and all sub-Races
    > not just Drow. I don't want to create a race that unbalances the game
    > setting, as I'm sure they weren't included in the first place just for this
    > reason.
    >
    > Undertaker, richt@metrolink.net
    >
    > "War is a matter of vital importance to the State;
    > the province of life or death;
    > the road to survival or ruin.
    > It is mandatory that it be thoroughly studied."
    > -Sun Tzu,(The Art of War)-
    >
    > ************************************************** *************************
    > > Firstly, I know you asked for general opinions, but I'll focus on the
    Drow as this question has appeared in my campaign a lot as well. This
    was my solution.

    The Drow are probably the most difficult of the Sub-Races to import to
    Cerilia due to the Highly Religious nature of their Society/Cretion.
    Without the conflict between Corellon and Llolth (Elven Gods), there
    would have been no schism amongst the elves and thus the Llolth faction
    would not have gone underground and become Drow.
    Having Said that, it is "possible" that when Humans first came to
    Cerilia and into conflict with the Elves, that a large group of elves
    were cut off from their bretheren and surrounded by Humans. With no
    place else to go, they were forced to retreat underground for safety.
    The tribe found refuge in a great cavern deep below the Stonecrown
    Mountains and settled it. Unknown to the elves at first, the cavern
    emanated strange energies that went to work altering the elves. Now, a
    mere few generations later, the tribe is unrecognisable, their skin has
    turned jet black and their hair snow white. Some of the most recently
    born Drow - as they are now calling themselves - have begun to exhibit
    strange powers.
    One of my players chose to play a young Proto-Drow who decided to see
    what was happening on the surface and if the hated Hu-Mans were still
    around. As the Proto-Drow were still evolving, they could only use their
    lowest level innate ability (I don't have the book here & honestly can't
    remember what it is).
    The same sort of thing could be done to Dwarves driven far underground
    by Orog Hordes, etc allowing you to create Derro or Duergar. This could
    probably work with other races as well if you wanrted.

    Hope it helps.

  9. #9
    Matthew M. Colville
    Guest

    Sub-Races

    >Well there is mention of an Underdark city of Elves, in the module Warlock
    >of the Stonecrowns, this city, Amantyr, is said to be the final retreat for
    >the Azrai allied elves. It wouldn't be much of a streatch to have them
    >corrupted by Azrai's influence( or some such thing...) and given Drow stats...

    In my Birthright Campaign, the players have themselves decided,
    from my description, the the elves that work for Rhobhe Manslayer are,
    essentially, Drow in temperment and motivation. This is, I think, a fairly
    accurate interpretation.

  10. #10
    Undertaker
    Guest

    Sub-Races

    At 07:29 AM 5/23/97 -0700, Chrys Murphy(cmurphy@staterail.nsw.gov.au)wrote:
    >

    >
    >One of my players chose to play a young Proto-Drow who decided to see
    >what was happening on the surface and if the hated Hu-Mans were still
    >around. As the Proto-Drow were still evolving, they could only use their
    >lowest level innate ability (I don't have the book here & honestly can't
    >remember what it is).
    >The same sort of thing could be done to Dwarves driven far underground
    >by Orog Hordes, etc allowing you to create Derro or Duergar. This could
    >probably work with other races as well if you wanrted.
    >

    There have been a lot of good suggestions concerning the reasoning behind(or
    against)Demihuman sub-races. But in order to include them they must be
    different from the standard Demihuman race. Thier abilities are what worry
    me. Standard races have been toned down in BR, so its only resonable that
    the sub-races will be to. What abilities should they have that are different
    from the norm? Or maybe they should just look different and have the same
    abilities. If the sub-races are included as they are written for standard
    AD&D they will greatly unbalance the game.

    Undertaker, richt@metrolink.net

    "War is a matter of vital importance to the State;
    the province of life or death;
    the road to survival or ruin.
    It is mandatory that it be thoroughly studied."
    -Sun Tzu,(The Art of War)-

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