Contesting

[Sean Brown]

> I would say that the Holding would drop one level at a time. A third contest
> action wouldbe needed to destroy Guilder B in that Province.
>
>
> The Golden Griffon

This seems to me to be a bit of overkill..its already hard enough to
contest holdings, let alone having to do it one level at a time.
Beside, this would indiacte that the holdings are all separate, which
they obviously aren't (otherwise you would collect GB as if it were 3
level (1) guilds, not a level (3)). If contested once, all levels
are useless..not just one.

Sean Brown

[verruchter@menagerie.ne]

IM>Another question that I'm sure has come up in the past :

IM>When a regent contests another regents holding (for the second time) does
>all levels of the contested regents holding become uncontrolled ? Or does
>it proceed one level at a time ?

IM>For e.g. In a province rated 5/2 Guildmaster A has 3 levels and Guildmaster
>B has 2 levels of Guild Holdings. On has first action Guildmaster A
>successfully contests Guildmaster B's holding. (This however only means
>that the holding in question cannot generate income or regency for the
>regent) However on Guildmaster A's second action he contests successfully
>again on Guildmaster B's holding. Does Guildmaster B's holding drop from 2
>to 1 or does he loose control of both levels ? (In fact is his holding
>destroyed completely?)

IM>hmmm? Look forward to your answers.

Actually after the second successful contest, the guild holding becomes
"uncontrolled". That means that Guildmaster B no longer has a holding
and Guildmaster A can now rule his guild holding up to 5 (provided he
is successful).

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[Goldngrifn@aol.co]

I would say that the Holding would drop one level at a time. A third contest
action wouldbe needed to destroy Guilder B in that Province.


The Golden Griffon

[verruchter@menagerie.ne]

IM>I would say that the Holding would drop one level at a time. A third contes
>action wouldbe needed to destroy Guilder B in that Province.

Thats not what the guidelines say. But you can do it your way, I just
think you're making it a little *too* difficult.

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[Darkstar]

mhale wrote:

> For e.g. In a province rated 5/2 Guildmaster A has 3 levels and Guildmaster
> B has 2 levels of Guild Holdings. On has first action Guildmaster A
> successfully contests Guildmaster B's holding. (This however only means
> that the holding in question cannot generate income or regency for the
> regent) However on Guildmaster A's second action he contests successfully
> again on Guildmaster B's holding. Does Guildmaster B's holding drop from 2
> to 1 or does he loose control of both levels ? (In fact is his holding
> destroyed completely?)

How I have been handling the contest action is in provinces of size 4
and above allow the contester to contest one level at a time. But in
provinces of size 3 or the contest action give the winner control of all
of the provinces guilds/temples etc.

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[Kariu@aol.co]

IM>When a regent contests another regents holding (for the second time) does
>all levels of the contested regents holding become uncontrolled ? Or does
>it proceed one level at a time ?

IM>For e.g. In a province rated 5/2 Guildmaster A has 3 levels and
Guildmaster
>B has 2 levels of Guild Holdings. On has first action Guildmaster A
>successfully contests Guildmaster B's holding. (This however only means
>that the holding in question cannot generate income or regency for the
>regent) However on Guildmaster A's second action he contests successfully
>again on Guildmaster B's holding. Does Guildmaster B's holding drop from 2
>to 1 or does he loose control of both levels ? (In fact is his holding
>destroyed completely?)

>>Actually after the second successful contest, the guild holding becomes
>>"uncontrolled". That means that Guildmaster B no longer has a holding
>>and Guildmaster A can now rule his guild holding up to 5 (provided he
>>is successful).


I like your example but in it does not work that way. When Guilder A
contests for the second time Guilder B loses just one level not all his guild
holdings in the province. So now Guilder A would have 3 guild holdings,
Guilder B one guild holding, and in the province 5/2 there will be one
available guild opening if either one then wishes to rule his guild.


Kariu

[Kariu@aol.co]

>
>>I would say that the Holding would drop one level at a time. A third
contest
>>action wouldbe needed to destroy Guilder B in that Province.
>
>
>>The Golden Griffon

It does drop one level at a time....As to a third conest...no...the process
starts over again...Guilder A then can rule his guild 3 to a 4 or he may
choose to contest Guilder B again. If he rules his holding is now 4 and
guilder B is still a 1. If he then chooses to contest again guilder B's 1
level holding will be frozen...no rp no gb...and then a second contest is
again needed to reduce it to a level 0 guild holding.

Guilder A then may rule again to increase his holding to a level 5 holding.
If guilder A wishes he then may deiced to conest Guilder B's 0 level
holding. If he is succesful once the 0 level holding is destoryed.


Kariu

[Kariu@aol.co]

You got it the right way Espen....one holding level is destoryed on a second
successful contest....unless that hold was a level 0 holding in which case it
is destoryed on the first contest.


Kariu

[Kariu@aol.co]

IM>I would say that the Holding would drop one level at a time. A third
contes
>action wouldbe needed to destroy Guilder B in that Province.

>>>>Thats not what the guidelines say. But you can do it your way, I just
think you're making it a little *too* difficult.

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[Eric Beaudoin]

At 21:27 1997.05.06 -0400, Kariu@aol.com wrote:
>
>IM>I would say that the Holding would drop one level at a time. A third
>contes
> >action wouldbe needed to destroy Guilder B in that Province.
>
>>>>>Thats not what the guidelines say. But you can do it your way, I just
>think you're making it a little *too* difficult.
>
> * 1st 2.00 #9097 * Some days you step in it...some days you don't...is that it is all destroyed....not so...accoding to the rules....besides it
>would take years to make a high level holding and it does make sense that two
>contests destroys it...the rules say A holding is destroyed not all
>holdings.

I just reread the rules and it seems to me that a holding, no matter its level, is still only one holding. See the RULE action to convince yourself.

Now, you may play it any which way you like but too many things in the rules would not make sense if we were to accept your interpretation. For example, the Domain Maintenance Costs would be 30 GB each turn for Endier instead of 3. This is a lot of money, even for Endier. And to think of the poor (or very rich) Gavin Tael who is rumored to control all the law holdings of Ghoere. Now we know why he want to invade every one, he need the money!!!!

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