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  1. #1
    Cec Stacey
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    Just what do non-Duke regents d

    >
    >
    > I'm just about to start a campaign based in Tuornen. One PC is the
    > Duke of Tuornen, another is his bodyguard (unblooded), another is his
    > court wizard (who conrols all of Caine's sources), and another is a
    > trader who controls all the Prince's Pride holdings in Tuornen (I thought

    > turning over all of Prince's Pride to him would be too much, and possibly

    > distract him from Tuornen as the focus of the campaign). I looked at
    > their RPs and GBs, and they've discussed what they'd like to do with
    > their realms a little, but most of the Domain Actions in the BR Rules
    > seem to target domain rulers. Other than set up some ley lines and off
    > some realm spells, what else would a wizard do a lot of? And other than
    > set up trade routes, what would a guilder do?
    > Another discrepancy I'm seeing is that the Duke is dirt poor (since
    > he's got to pay court costs and armies), but the guilder, who lives in
    > Castle Haes with the Duke, is rolling in dough. What do guild regents do

    > with all their money? Just giving it to the Duke who needs it doesn't
    > seem very likely.
    > Suggestions, please!
    >
    > Ron
    >
    They get the crap taxed out of them by the duke, and keep the rest as
    profit. What do you think Bill Gates does with his profits? Turn them
    over to Bill Clinton?
    > .................................................. ................

  2. #2
    rrbhaunoch@juno.com (Jos
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    Just what do non-Duke regents d

    On Sun, 4 May 1997 19:50:58 -0600 (MDT) Ron Lundeen
    writes:
    >
    > I'm just about to start a campaign based in Tuornen. One PC is
    >the
    >Duke of Tuornen, another is his bodyguard (unblooded), another is his
    >court wizard (who conrols all of Caine's sources), and another is a
    >trader who controls all the Prince's Pride holdings in Tuornen (I
    >thought
    >turning over all of Prince's Pride to him would be too much, and
    >possibly
    >distract him from Tuornen as the focus of the campaign). I looked at
    >their RPs and GBs, and they've discussed what they'd like to do with
    >their realms a little, but most of the Domain Actions in the BR Rules
    >seem to target domain rulers. Other than set up some ley lines and
    >off
    >some realm spells, what else would a wizard do a lot of? And other
    >than
    >set up trade routes, what would a guilder do?
    > Another discrepancy I'm seeing is that the Duke is dirt poor
    >(since
    >he's got to pay court costs and armies), but the guilder, who lives in
    >
    >Castle Haes with the Duke, is rolling in dough. What do guild regents
    >do
    >with all their money? Just giving it to the Duke who needs it doesn't
    >
    >seem very likely.
    > Suggestions, please!
    >
    >Ron
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    It seems as if maybe using agitate and contest would be very useful
    actions for a theif or wizard regent to perform on any turn that they
    have free of obligation or need to do otherwise. This in my opinion
    should be one of the primary functions of a wizard regent charachter!!!

    Also the Training action would be useful to ANY regent that had a turn to
    burn.

    My two GB's

    Rrbhaunoch

  3. #3
    Kariu@aol.co
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    Just what do non-Duke regents d

    I agree with much of what Epson said as for what does a guilder do with his
    money. Another idea that I plan on using is this: Using a diplomacy action
    with a domain and offer that domain gold bars if they support my actions with
    thier law holdings. This way I get an unfair advangate over my opposition
    and the landed regent gets a kickback...I 'assume' it'll work and everybody's
    happy, but that other guilded I'm about to crush.


    Kariu

  4. #4
    JOHN RICKARDS
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    Just what do non-Duke regents d

    A non-Duke guilder can also use his monet to provide his businesses
    and services with a major facelift, get himself some really nice
    headquarters (with the medieval equivalent of potted plants,
    fountains and wall-to-wall carpeting) and increase the pay of his
    employees as a reward for a job well done (which also makes them that
    much less susceptible to bribes, and that extra bit loyal).

    The Duke can inform the guilder that to protect that treasury full of
    gold he has will cost quite a bit extra - it is after all a very
    tempting target for thieves (including opposing guilds most of the
    time), and if he won't pay the Duke and his army to do that, it might
    be an idea to invest in some security of his own. Think of the
    benefits of magical protection - none of that "teleporting into the
    vault" business. Expensive, of course......

  5. #5
    MHahn59022@aol.co
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    Just what do non-Duke regents d

    In a message dated 97-05-05 01:03:48 EDT, you write:

  6. #6
    Olivier
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    Just what do non-Duke regents d

    Ron Lundeen wrote:

    > I looked at
    > their RPs and GBs, and they've discussed what they'd like to do with
    > their realms a little, but most of the Domain Actions in the BR Rules
    > seem to target domain rulers. Other than set up some ley lines and off
    > some realm spells, what else would a wizard do a lot of? And other than
    > set up trade routes, what would a guilder do?
    > Another discrepancy I'm seeing is that the Duke is dirt poor (since
    > he's got to pay court costs and armies), but the guilder, who lives in
    > Castle Haes with the Duke, is rolling in dough. What do guild regents do
    > with all their money? Just giving it to the Duke who needs it doesn't
    > seem very likely.
    > Suggestions, please!
    >
    > Ron

    If you want to pay only the political game, you can't do that only in
    tuornen. You must play actively all the neighbors of Tuornen.
    Your wizard must compete with other wizards in the surounding lands, and
    there are a lot : Eyeless One, Harald Khorien, Arlen Innis and Rhuobhe
    Manslayer himself ! This one have only a few regency points, but is very
    powerfull. It's a great challenge !! your wizard must also study to
    learn spells to defend Tuornen !
    Your Guilder must also compete with PAI, MB and even GK. The GB must be
    used in Espionnage Actions, and the regent of Tuornen can tax the
    guilder.

    If you want more ideas, write me, i have 20 players who play only the
    political game.

    Olivier

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    cmurphy@staterail.nsw.go
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    Just what do non-Duke regents d

    Ron Lundeen wrote:
    >
    > I'm just about to start a campaign based in Tuornen. One PC is the
    > Duke of Tuornen, another is his bodyguard (unblooded), another is his
    > court wizard (who conrols all of Caine's sources), and another is a
    > trader who controls all the Prince's Pride holdings in Tuornen (I thought
    > turning over all of Prince's Pride to him would be too much, and possibly
    > distract him from Tuornen as the focus of the campaign). I looked at
    > their RPs and GBs, and they've discussed what they'd like to do with
    > their realms a little, but most of the Domain Actions in the BR Rules
    > seem to target domain rulers. Other than set up some ley lines and off
    > some realm spells, what else would a wizard do a lot of? And other than
    > set up trade routes, what would a guilder do?
    > Another discrepancy I'm seeing is that the Duke is dirt poor (since
    > he's got to pay court costs and armies), but the guilder, who lives in
    > Castle Haes with the Duke, is rolling in dough. What do guild regents do
    > with all their money? Just giving it to the Duke who needs it doesn't
    > seem very likely.
    > Suggestions, please!
    >
    > Ron
    >
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    > . If only I could meet the Maker .
    > . And I am fascinated by the spiritual man .
    > . I'm humbled by his humble nature .
    > . - Alanis Morissette, "All I Really Want" .
    > .................................................. ................
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    You may want to have the Guilder be a Vassal of the Duke, this would
    mean they have an agreement that the Guilder gives the Duke a percentage
    of his Regency Points and Gold Bars made each turn in return for the
    Duke's blessing and support - if the Guilder ever decided to break the
    vassalage, the Duke could seize the Guild Holdings and either run them
    himself (he wouldn't gain regency but he would get the GB's) or turn
    them over to a faithful Lieutenant / Vassal.

  8. #8
    Diana L. Paxson
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    Just what do non-Duke regents d

    Ron Lundeen wrote:
    >
    > I'm just about to start a campaign based in Tuornen. One PC is the
    > Duke of Tuornen, another is his bodyguard (unblooded), another is his
    > court wizard (who conrols all of Caine's sources), and another is a
    > trader who controls all the Prince's Pride holdings in Tuornen (I thought
    > turning over all of Prince's Pride to him would be too much, and possibly
    > distract him from Tuornen as the focus of the campaign). I looked at
    > their RPs and GBs, and they've discussed what they'd like to do with
    > their realms a little, but most of the Domain Actions in the BR Rules
    > seem to target domain rulers. Other than set up some ley lines and off
    > some realm spells, what else would a wizard do a lot of? And other than
    > set up trade routes, what would a guilder do?
    > Another discrepancy I'm seeing is that the Duke is dirt poor (since
    > he's got to pay court costs and armies), but the guilder, who lives in
    > Castle Haes with the Duke, is rolling in dough. What do guild regents do
    > with all their money? Just giving it to the Duke who needs it doesn't
    > seem very likely.
    > Suggestions, please!
    >
    > Ron

    If the Guilder lives with the Duke, the Duke can allways demand rent
    from his wealthy room-mate. In my campain, the regent of Elinie married
    the Guildmistess of Points East Trade Company (PETCo. for short),
    pooling their resources.
    As to what Guildmasters & Wizards do with their time: Guilds compeate
    with rival Guilds (wars of espionage can sometimes get alot nastier than
    conflicts between kingdoms), and Wizards usualy are buisy with Research
    actions - getting those extra Realm or Battle Spells, etc.

    Grendel Todd

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    Espen A. Johnsen
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    Just what do non-Duke regents d

    If the Duke is dirt poor and the others are rolling in dough, something isn't
    right!

    1) I know I missed this one the first time , so remember that if the Duke uses
    his law holdings to get money from others, like the guildes, tempels, etc, then
    the owners of the targeted holdings must draw the sum gained by the law holdings
    from ther own income. So if the dukes law holding got 2GB from the temples
    income, then the temples owner must subtract this from his/her own income...just
    see that the holding targeted gets min 1GB in profit!!!
    ( that is the way I see Law holdings anyway!!)

    2) On some occations, a large amount of travel along a road or true a province(
    like trade routes) usualy leads to the regent demanding road tax so that he/she
    may protect the travlers propperly!!! A profit of 1/5 of a traderoutes income is
    not unthinkable, ie if there is a traderoute of 5GB or more in income the regnet
    may profit there too.

    3) Well insted of giving the money to the regent a LOAN might be in order, in
    return the regnet might promise to pay back more GB or a favor in any form that
    is acceptible.

    4) Bribes... If a regent is so poor, others may take advantage of this by
    offering a small amount of money for the king to throw out an opponent or for
    the regnet to look the other way!!!

    5) If other regnets are building up large armies, then the oter Regents may
    deside to give some donation to the WAR FOUND for personal reasons....

    As for what else a guilder might do... build himself a private home, take over
    other guilds, crush rival guilds, maybe get his own litle army and take ower a
    few provinces and make himself king or if he and the king are working together
    maybe set up a spy network.

    Wizards have litle to do actualy... but they are found of knowledge so a wizard
    may strive to get a library and the books and if hes got the alchemy prof. from
    PO: Spells & Magic then he might make a labratory to make a few substaces

    Espen Johnsen
    Norway

  10. #10
    Espen A. Johnsen
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    Just what do non-Duke regents d

    A tought just poped into my head here!!!!
    Why not give the Duke of Tuornen all of the holdings ( temples, sorces, guilds,
    law holdings, etc. ) that you want the caracters to have and then he makes the
    other players vassals over the diffrent holdings so as to use the holdings
    fully.

    The Wizard is given the use of the regents ley lines so that the realm can be
    better protected.

    The Cleric can be the Dukes spiritual advicor and becose he want's all his
    people to share in his believes. And he need an extra source of income.

    The "Guilder" is given the control of the thieving guilds to make a spy-network
    and also a little income.

    The Duke may wish to keep his Law-Holdings or he may wish to have a few vassals
    to easier control his realm ( useful in larger realms ), but he still gets most
    of , if not all, the RP. If you look at who the Gorgon's way to rule Kiergard
    you will understand what I mean.

    This way the Duke will always have som extra founds to take from.

    Anyway, it's only a suggestion.

    Espen Johnsen.

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