Rule Holding Actions

[Jonathan Picklesimer]

On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, L. Willett wrote:

>
> Rule holdings action, pg.59 - "The province ruler and any regents with a
> similiar holding in the province can support or oppose the action by adding
> or subtracting the level of thier own holdings."
> Why is 'province ruler' in there at all ? It seems on one hand to be
> about to say that province rulers can influence rule holding action with
> thier province levels, but it doesn't, it just mentions similiar holding
> levels...
> Is this just a "typo' or was there an intention for province rulers to
> have this influence ?

I do not feel as if this were a typo. The province ruler, IMHO, can use
the level of the province that s/he rules as a "holding" modifier to the
success roll. As a ruler of a province, it is in your best intrest to
influence the forces at play in your province. The similar holding
reference is to other guild, temple, or law holders who wish to help or
hinder the rule action. I think that your are reading them as one entity
when they are two entities.

jsp

[L. Willett]

Rule holdings action, pg.59 - "The province ruler and any regents with a
similiar holding in the province can support or oppose the action by adding
or subtracting the level of thier own holdings."
Why is 'province ruler' in there at all ? It seems on one hand to be
about to say that province rulers can influence rule holding action with
thier province levels, but it doesn't, it just mentions similiar holding
levels...
Is this just a "typo' or was there an intention for province rulers to
have this influence ?

[Ian Hoskins]

On 09-Apr-97, L. Willett set out across the seas with this message:

- ->Rule holdings action, pg.59 - "The province ruler and any regents with a
- ->similiar holding in the province can support or oppose the action by adding
- ->or subtracting the level of thier own holdings."
- ->Why is 'province ruler' in there at all ? It seems on one hand to be
- ->about to say that province rulers can influence rule holding action with
- ->thier province levels, but it doesn't, it just mentions similiar holding
- ->levels...
- ->Is this just a "typo' or was there an intention for province rulers to
- ->have this influence ?

A province ruler has a lot of influence over holding in their province. After
all the ruler doesn't want the wrong people taking control of the guilds and
temples.
In the case of a rule action the province rulers holding is the level of the
province ie: in a 3/2 province can influence rule action by 3. If you look in
the rule book it says The province ruler AND regents with a similar holding.
The province ruler doesn't have to control guild or temple or whatever.

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> On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, L. Willett wrote:
>
> >
> > Rule holdings action, pg.59 - "The province ruler and any regents with a
> > similiar holding in the province can support or oppose the action by adding
> > or subtracting the level of thier own holdings."
> > Why is 'province ruler' in there at all ? It seems on one hand to be
> > about to say that province rulers can influence rule holding action with
> > thier province levels, but it doesn't, it just mentions similiar holding
> > levels...
> > Is this just a "typo' or was there an intention for province rulers to
> > have this influence ?
>
> I do not feel as if this were a typo. The province ruler, IMHO, can use
> the level of the province that s/he rules as a "holding" modifier to the
> success roll. As a ruler of a province, it is in your best intrest to
> influence the forces at play in your province. The similar holding
> reference is to other guild, temple, or law holders who wish to help or
> hinder the rule action. I think that your are reading them as one entity
> when they are two entities.
>
> jsp
> ************************************************** *************************

I always interpreted it as the ruler using his/her law holdings to
aid or counter other regents. Mainly, this is because I don't really
understand why being the ruler of a province 'in name' would enable
you to influence other rulers; in my opinion it's the law holdings
that determine your effective power in that region. Also, rulers with
small numbers of law holdings are usually portrayed as being weak in
the Rulebook. For instance, take a look at Dhoesone, the most
obvious example: a weak ruler with only a few law holdings and
powerful guilds that have been able to take over the others from her.
In my opinion, this gives a more realistic view of the power
structure in the province. The text in the Rulebook doesn't
explicitly exclude either the use of the law holdings or the province
level in this case, so you can decide for yourself which one you
prefer. Anyway, it's another possibility,

Roald