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  1. #1
    Mick
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    Too Much Gold!!!!

    I have a question that I would like some wise and respectable DM to
    answer. =20

    In my campaign I have two PC regents that own province domains. They
    have collected a large sum of GBs in their treasury and have mustered
    massive armies. Any little attack on them by other domians is two
    wimpy, and if I give them an equel number of armies any battles are long
    and monotnous. Also they take hold of all the temples and guilds just to
    make the money, and this gets kind of boring when they have total
    control over the realm.

    How can I:
    1. Wipe out some of their military units to make it small and simple?
    2. Decrease their treasury to a reasonable size?
    3. "Encourage" them not to muster so many armie?
    4. Diverse their holdings amongst other NPCs w/o them contesting them
    and taking them back?

    I want to do all of this without pissing them off, please help me.
    (If you need to know the state of my PCs you can see them at:
    http://www.earthlink.net/~flammie/char.html
    This info is as up-to-date as I can make it at the time.)

    - --=20
    "All questions are obvious; to those who know the answers,
    Answers are never known; to those who don't understand the
    question."

    =B0Mick
    http://www.earthlink.net/~flammie/
    flammie@earthlink.net

  2. #2
    Brian Logan
    Guest

    Too Much Gold!!!!

    At 05:10 PM 13/02/97 -0500, you wrote:
    >
    >In my campaign I have two PC regents that own province domains. They
    >have collected a large sum of GBs in their treasury and have mustered
    >massive armies. Any little attack on them by other domians is two
    >wimpy, and if I give them an equel number of armies any battles are long
    >and monotnous. Also they take hold of all the temples and guilds just to
    >make the money, and this gets kind of boring when they have total
    >control over the realm.
    >
    >How can I:
    >1. Wipe out some of their military units to make it small and simple?
    >2. Decrease their treasury to a reasonable size?
    >3. "Encourage" them not to muster so many armie?
    >4. Diverse their holdings amongst other NPCs w/o them contesting them
    >and taking them back?

    Tell them your problrms, and if they want no competition then is no longer
    fun for you to play.
    Alterntively, you will probably upset them.

    1a. Gorgon ravaging.
    1b Several neighbours team up to eliminate the menace. The players obviously
    had a large standing army for conquest only and this should motivate the
    neighbours to team up, even if they otherwise wouldn't. This will also
    sastify numbers 3&4.

    2. How much do those armies cost? Is taxation severe and popularity low? -
    revolt. Have they built roads, castles, palaces, silos, guild halls, ships,
    etc.? Diplomacy can cost - if they spend no money on court then they cannot
    receive information because no-one can find them.

    4. You can't. You need to contest them. Rivals will team up to make them
    spend all their regency in contesting. This also stops income from the areas
    in question.

    I hope that helps. Having other players will also help

    Brian

    We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars...
    - Oscar Wilde

  3. #3
    Ian Hoskins
    Guest

    Too Much Gold!!!!

    On 14-Feb-97, Mick wrote:
    - ->I have a question that I would like some wise and respectable DM to
    - ->answer.

    - ->In my campaign I have two PC regents that own province domains. They
    - ->have collected a large sum of GBs in their treasury and have mustered
    - ->massive armies. Any little attack on them by other domians is two
    - ->wimpy, and if I give them an equel number of armies any battles are long
    - ->and monotnous. Also they take hold of all the temples and guilds just to
    - ->make the money, and this gets kind of boring when they have total
    - ->control over the realm.

    - ->How can I:
    - ->1. Wipe out some of their military units to make it small and simple?

    If you can reduce their treasury somehow then and reduce their income then
    maybe they won't be able support their armies.
    What I did with my campaign was put aside a couple of weeks and have a large
    series of wars starting from this weeks. In my campaign the regent of Medoere
    had built ip a force of 36 units of soldiers. He invaded Diemed and ran into a
    powerful mage who used mass destruction on his army, killing several units.
    Then after a long days warfare and adventuring he finally withdrew from Diemed
    minus over half his army. Of corse he still has a fairly large treasury but
    not much of an army left.
    The thief regent who had built up a treasury of 500 GB now finds himself
    without an army and surrounded on all sides by hostile regents (or soon to be
    hostile)

    - ->2. Decrease their treasury to a reasonable size?

    Corruption always comes when large sums of money are invlolved.
    A natural disaster.
    Theft, buy a local merchant.
    Rebellion by people sick of being taxed out of all their earnings.
    Greedy regents in other domains looking for some money to add to their
    treasury.

    - ->3. "Encourage" them not to muster so many armie?

    People in the provinces may not like living in a police state and rebel.
    Famine due to so many soldiers using up resources.

    - ->4. Diverse their holdings amongst other NPCs w/o them contesting them
    - ->and taking them back?

    Get someone powerful to attack their kingdom. Make sure the NPC regent has
    enough soldiers to capture a province or two. Once the province has been taken
    destroy the holding there. Now other regents can move in and build there no
    matter who wins the war.
    If the players want to destroy the holding remember that they have to attack
    their own provinces to do so. Most people will not like their jobs being taken
    away by their own regents, this has worked several times in my campaign.

    Well hope all that helps you somewhat.
    - --
    Darkstar

    hoss@satech.net.au
    http://www.satech.net.au/~hoss/index.html

    `Now weary traveller rest your head
    because just like me you're totally dead.'

    A.J. Rimmer Bsc Ssc

  4. #4
    Laldw@aol.co
    Guest

    Too Much Gold!!!!

    In a message dated 97-02-14 20:05:25 EST, you write:


    >In my campaign I have two PC regents that own province domains. They
    >have collected a large sum of GBs in their treasury and have mustered
    >massive armies. Any little attack on them by other domians is two
    >wimpy, and if I give them an equel number of armies any battles are long
    >and monotnous. Also they take hold of all the temples and guilds just to
    >make the money, and this gets kind of boring when they have total
    >control over the realm.
    >
    >How can I:
    >1. Wipe out some of their military units to make it small and simple?

    a):A nearby Regent wooes them away.
    b):Plague, famine and the great blizzard of 96.
    c): Oops, a neighboring mage has telported those units to venus.
    and King Spackleback is pillaging your capital.

    >2. Decrease their treasury to a reasonable size?

    Dang thieves. They just walked right in with that forged document stating
    that the treasury was to be moved to Province B. Loaded up the wagon and
    rode off down the road never to be seen again.

    >3. "Encourage" them not to muster so many armie?

    "Hey aren't you that guy that has that really big army? I hear you pay
    pretty well. Well it just so happens that I am a member of an "Elite" unit
    of knights and for a downpayment of 12 GB and 4 GB's monthly you can
    acquire our services."

    >4. Diverse their holdings amongst other NPCs w/o them contesting them
    >and taking them back?

    You have to contest.

    It seems that High Priest Talkalot has been spreading rumors about your human
    sacrifices and then condemning them. Not to mention his brother Guilder
    Noitall has discovered that your lieutenant is a crossdresser! Oh the
    scandal!
    The people are unhappy, Priest Talkalot thinks you should just give him your
    unholy temples so that he may purify him. King Spackleback, Guilder Noitall,
    King
    Fred, King Matthew, Lord Mark, Guilder Luke Perry, Pious pope John, The twin
    wizard kings Larry and Larry, and the regent formerly known as the Prince
    all agree.

  5. #5
    rcantin@oricom.ca (Robin
    Guest

    Too Much Gold!!!!

    >I have a question that I would like some wise and respectable DM to
    >answer.

    My qualifications can be doubted on both counts, but I have a few
    suggestions to make anyway ;-)

    >In my campaign I have two PC regents that own province domains. They
    >have collected a large sum of GBs in their treasury and have mustered
    >massive armies. (...)

    You're telling us they have ALL the holdings in the domain?!? There,s no
    reason other faiths wouldn't try to encroach, other guilds to take the
    market. Give then a RP bidding war!

    >How can I:
    >1. Wipe out some of their military units to make it small and simple?

    No miracle cure here.

    >2. Decrease their treasury to a reasonable size?

    Have NPCs contest their holdings (see below). Also, if one of the gang ever
    falls prisoner to an enemy, the ransom asked is sure to be VERY large.

    >3. "Encourage" them not to muster so many armie?

    In my campaing, we've established a province can't support more than a
    given number of military units. There's that many people that can be taken
    from production. We settled it at 2 units x province rating.

    >4. Diverse their holdings amongst other NPCs w/o them contesting them
    >and taking them back?

    All their gold won't help them win them back; you can't increase your
    success roll with GBs on a contest or rule action, only RPs can do that
    (correct me someone if I'm wrong, here). Have their holding attacked
    simultaneaously by several guilders/high priests/bandit captains. Give
    these RPs to match those of the characters.

    I like Brian's solution: if all else fails, speak about the problem with
    your players, perhaps they'll understand Birthright isn't a wargame and
    their characters don't have to be military dictator maniacs.

    Your players will have to find something else to do with their time than
    raise the greatest army in Anuire, unless they want to invade all of Anuire
    (why not? Interesting plot line). And you'll have to spur their interest in
    non-military plots, I suppose.

    Hope it helps

    Robin

  6. #6
    Alvin Otto
    Guest

    Too Much Gold!!!!

    HI

    > I have a question that I would like some wise and respectable DM to
    > answer.

    >
    > In my campaign I have two PC regents that own province domains. They
    > have collected a large sum of GBs in their treasury and have mustered
    > massive armies. Any little attack on them by other domians is two
    > wimpy, and if I give them an equel number of armies any battles are long
    > and monotnous. Also they take hold of all the temples and guilds just to
    > make the money, and this gets kind of boring when they have total
    > control over the realm.
    >
    > How can I:
    > 1. Wipe out some of their military units to make it small and simple?

    Where have they gotten their large army from? Perhaps start to cause
    a lack of food etc due to workers having left to join the army. They
    now have to start bringing goods in, inorder to stop famine.

    (Cause a bit of dissent amongst the ranks) People do have fanilies
    who are shorty of food due to prices going up, forscing the PC's to
    up the wages.

    Other domains may start to refuse trade with the PC's domain due to
    their large amount of armies. I.e wipe out the supply of some
    essentialsa and so on. Then force the PC's to pay rather high black
    market rates.

    Sooner or later they will have to start to get rid of troops to or
    have their treasury run dry.

    > 2. Decrease their treasury to a reasonable size?

    See above. You could also throw ina couple of random events forcing
    them to spend more gold than they anticipated.

    > 3. "Encourage" them not to muster so many armie?

    Let several domains see them as a threat and join to eliminate them.
    Once again you can desimate their armies ruin towns and
    castles forcing them to pay heavily. It will also act as a warning
    not to build such huge armies again.

    > 4. Diverse their holdings amongst other NPCs w/o them contesting them
    > and taking them back?

    With the above you can start making matters get a bit out of hand,
    start lumping problem after problem. Cause enough trouble that they
    cant handle it all on their own. thus we are in a prime possition to
    remove holding from their hands or let them pass them on in order for
    the PC's to have time to deal with it all.


    > I want to do all of this without pissing them off, please help me.
    > (If you need to know the state of my PCs you can see them at:
    > http://www.earthlink.net/~flammie/char.html
    > This info is as up-to-date as I can make it at the time.)
    >

    Well that is my pennies worth of advice.

    Cheers
    Alvin
    Alvin Otto (Adz)
    -

  7. #7
    Matthew Colville
    Guest

    Too Much Gold!!!!

    Someone said that they had a hard time coming up with a good reason for
    a Regent to go adventuring.

    This blows my mind! Richard the Lionheart hated England and spent the
    vast majority of his time leading wars whose main purpose was to keep
    him occupied while he avoided his Domain! How do you think Ghengis Khan
    conquered half the world? Alexander the Great didn't sit around writing
    missives while his minions forged an empire! According to Robert Graves
    (who should know) Julius Ceaser's main strength lay in his liberal use
    of profanity while preparing his troops for battle!

    The question Birthright GMs should be asking themselves is: How Do I
    Keep My Regents At Home?!

  8. #8
    Sylvain Tremblay
    Guest

    Too Much Gold!!!!

    > > I have a question that I would like some wise and respectable DM to
    > > answer.
    >
    > >
    > > In my campaign I have two PC regents that own province domains. They
    > > have collected a large sum of GBs in their treasury and have mustered
    > > massive armies. Any little attack on them by other domians is two
    > > wimpy, and if I give them an equel number of armies any battles are
    long
    > > and monotnous. Also they take hold of all the temples and guilds just
    to
    > > make the money, and this gets kind of boring when they have total
    > > control over the realm.
    > >

    How did they took hold of all the temples and guilds? Do they have the law
    and magic holdings?

    I suppose that if they control the temples and guild than they should be
    priest and thief. Then they doesn't have a grip on the law and source
    holdings. Maybe you should use these holdings to make them some trouble.
    Another idea would be for the people living in these domains to just quit
    to other provinces because too much armies is a sign of oppression.

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