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  1. #1
    Matthew M. Colville
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    birthright-digest V1996 #20

    Ron Lundeen wrote:

    > As a fellow DM who tried running the Night Below campaign in
    > Cerilia, I must ask what major changes you found you needed to make? I
    > only ran the first half of the boxed set (up until about the time the PC
    > got to the Shrine of Juiblex), but I'd already had to make a lot of
    > changes: 1) The Bloodskull Orc were Orogs. 2) Several of the NPCs,
    > like Count Parlfrey and some of the underground "rulers" were Blooded.
    > 3) The two dragons in the adventure were, or course, Cerilian Dragons.
    > 4) Since the adventure involved extended periods of time underground, I
    > allowed the players to make blooded characters, but not regents (who
    > wouldn't be able to rule well while spending four months or more
    > underground).
    >
    > Out of intense curiosity, what changes have you had to make? And
    > where did you set Haranshire?

    I made the same change you made vis a vis the Orc to Orogs. However,
    my players aren't even done with the Trolls yet, so they havn't gotten
    as far as yours.

    I started the Boxed Set about 2/3rds of the way through the first book
    of Night Below. One of the players is a blooded regent (The Duke of
    Tuornen) who is exploring Night Below for several reasons:
    1) Ranchefus kidnapped the wizard which the Duke was sponsoring at the
    Royal College of Sorcery with the intend of making him the Ducal Wizard
    once his studies were finished.
    2) The Duke was the man chosen, instead of his other ambassadors, by
    Prince Darian Avan to treat with the Dwarves when they approached the
    Prince to establish trade with the humans for the first time in 1500
    years. After impressing the Dwarves mightly with his nobility and
    competance (he completed the task set to him by the Dwarves from Legends
    Of The Hero Kings, Dwarved Steele) they named him Dwarvenfriend and,
    later, impressed upon him their desire to head the expedition into the
    underdark.
    So far, the party has made Baruk-Azik (named, in my version of
    Birthright, Thurazor) their base, often having to go all the way back to
    Tuornen or the Imperial City to take care of business.
    Further expeditions into Night Below will certainly take more of the
    PCs time, but itonly takes four months if you, the GM, says it does.
    You could just as easily say "four weeks" which is also a long period of
    time to spend underground.

    Haranshire I put in the Coeranys province of Deepshadow, and Broken
    Spire Keep I put in the mountains on the border of Baruk-Azik and
    Coeranys. This allowed me to integrate two other PCs, one a Druid
    tasked by the Duchess of Coeranys to make sure the Duke of Tuornen is
    happy in their Duchy (he's an important guy) and to monitor the party
    and otherwise offer aid whenever it was needed.
    That druid knew an Archer-Ranger (special class from an old Dragon
    Magazine) who lived in the area and could guide the whole party to
    Broken Spire Keep.

    So, as you can see, I had to do a lot of work to bring everyone
    together. But everyone's meshing well and is united of purpose. I had
    to read the whole first third of Night Below just to figure out that
    Ranchefus was the perfect 'in' to the adventure, so they skipped
    everything up till then.


    -Matthew

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  2. #2
    Matthew M. Colville
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    birthright-digest V1996 #20

    Jaanus Lillenberg wrote:

    > > > None of my players have even tried yet, and none of them intend on
    > > > trying before they get done with Night Below. Rhobhe Manslayer is
    > > > currently the Awnsheigh that gives the PCs the most trouble, and he's
    > > > 15/16! So everyone's biding their time, gaining levels.
    >
    > Hello
    >
    > Why?? Why must your Players go stright forward against most powerful elf?
    > Would you explain me?
    > Jaanus Lillenberg

    You mistake my meaning. Read my message again. None of my players
    have even tried to take on an awnsheigh and none of them intend on
    trying for probably a real year (i.e. 1998, not a year in Cerlilia.)

    -Matthew

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  3. #3
    Jaanus Lillenberg
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    birthright-digest V1996 #20

    >
    > On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, birthright-digest wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 16:29:47 +0000
    > > From: "Matthew M. Colville"
    > > Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Awnsheighs
    > >
    > > Jonathan Picklesimer wrote:
    > > >
    > > > Has anyone taken on an awnshegh?
    > >
    > > None of my players have even tried yet, and none of them intend on
    > > trying before they get done with Night Below. Rhobhe Manslayer is
    > > currently the Awnsheigh that gives the PCs the most trouble, and he's
    > > 15/16! So everyone's biding their time, gaining levels.

    Hello

    Why?? Why must your Players go stright forward against most powerful elf?
    Would you explain me?

    If you were a Chief of the Army of a Small Country i bet you'd
    never ever even think about to start war against Islam Fundametalists.

    In Cerilia elves can be looked at that point in a way.
    With having Ghaelie Siddhe and the other stuff.

    This would explain a lot. I don't think awnsheglihen are for simply
    cuting down.

    See, there are several 15+ level mages
    (High Mage Aelies in Aerenwe is level 16
    Councellor of Wizards Academy in Anuire is level 19
    (cant remember title maybe) Elven Queen of Lluabright is level 18 wizard)

    The last of them should have access to Time Stop spell and
    a wise ruler would be able to drive wizard to gorgon and to cast Time Stop
    and slay the Gorgon and so on.

    As long as Queen of Lluabraight somewhat shares Rhuobhes point of view
    [Rjurik Highlands Expansion]
    she may become a potent personal enemy of players (think about it).

    Actually Gorgon has as powerful potential allies for cases like the
    one shown above. [Referring to Ravens interview in Blood Enemies Accessory]

    So what do you think about if the players leave the major awnshegh alone.
    There would be A LOAD VERY VERY VERY interesting things to do also
    without awnsheghlihen I bet. Also nobody forbid you to use some smaller
    awnsheglihen (almost every PS book hints about a possible or a particular
    awnshegh in domain)

    Sincere greetings
    Jaanus Lillenberg

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    jaanusl@postimees.ee

  4. #4
    Jaanus Lillenberg
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    birthright-digest V1996 #20

    Matthew wrote:

    >
    > Jaanus Lillenberg wrote:
    >
    > > > > None of my players have even tried yet, and none of them intend on
    > > > > trying before they get done with Night Below. Rhobhe Manslayer is
    > > > > currently the Awnsheigh that gives the PCs the most trouble, and he's
    > > > > 15/16! So everyone's biding their time, gaining levels.
    > >
    > > Hello
    > >
    > > Why?? Why must your Players go stright forward against most powerful elf?
    > > Would you explain me?
    > > Jaanus Lillenberg
    >
    > You mistake my meaning. Read my message again. None of my players
    > have even tried to take on an awnsheigh and none of them intend on
    > trying for probably a real year (i.e. 1998, not a year in Cerlilia.)
    >
    > -Matthew

    Yes, I got you, but what I wanted to say is that what about of letting
    the PCs go along and the Awnsheglihen be in peace. Of course it would
    be hard to explain to a high level player (that taking an awnshegh is
    not a way) otherwise than face him an awnshegh like last emperor did.

    Well , that was a mere suggestion.

    Sincerely Yours
    Jaanus Lillenberg

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    jaanusl@postimees.ee

  5. #5
    Matthew M. Colville
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    birthright-digest V1996 #20

    Jaanus Lillenberg wrote:
    > By the way did you take the toymaker plot into your game? What is he
    > doing there?

    I didn't incorporate many of the Player's Secrets Rumors, mostly
    because they're incomplete. It doesn't explain, for instance, what the
    message written in tiny red mushrooms means. I have enough ideas of my
    own, I don't really need to use my otherwise productive mental energy
    trying to come up with reasons why someone might want to write a message
    in tiny red mushrooms.


    -Matthew

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  6. #6
    Matthew M. Colville
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    birthright-digest V1996 #20

    >Matthew wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> Jaanus Lillenberg wrote:
    >>
    >> > > > None of my players have even tried yet, and none of them intend on
    >> > > > trying before they get done with Night Below. Rhobhe Manslayer is
    >> > > > currently the Awnsheigh that gives the PCs the most trouble, and he's
    >> > > > 15/16! So everyone's biding their time, gaining levels.
    >> >
    >> > Hello
    >> >
    >> > Why?? Why must your Players go stright forward against most powerful elf?
    >> > Would you explain me?
    >> > Jaanus Lillenberg
    >>
    >> You mistake my meaning. Read my message again. None of my players
    >> have even tried to take on an awnsheigh and none of them intend on
    >> trying for probably a real year (i.e. 1998, not a year in Cerlilia.)
    >>
    >> -Matthew
    >
    >Yes, I got you, but what I wanted to say is that what about of letting
    >the PCs go along and the Awnsheglihen be in peace. Of course it would
    >be hard to explain to a high level player (that taking an awnshegh is
    >not a way) otherwise than face him an awnshegh like last emperor did.
    >
    >Well , that was a mere suggestion.
    >
    >Sincerely Yours
    > Jaanus Lillenberg

    The reason my PC wants to slay Robhe Manslayer is because Robhe
    often sends elves into his provinces to slay his subjects. Read the
    Tuornen Players Secrets and check out Elevesnemiere. Wouldn't you be even
    *slightly* interested in confronting an NPC who made it his business to try
    and kill off all your subjects?

  7. #7
    Jaanus Lillenberg
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    birthright-digest V1996 #20

    Hey
    >
    Matthew wrote:
    > The reason my PC wants to slay Robhe Manslayer is because Robhe
    > often sends elves into his provinces to slay his subjects. Read the
    > Tuornen Players Secrets and check out Elevesnemiere. Wouldn't you be even
    > *slightly* interested in confronting an NPC who made it his business to try
    > and kill off all your subjects?

    Yes, I have read the Tuornen PS. I would be angry and count awnshegh as
    personal enemy. The problem is I as DM know what sort of danger the Elf
    is, but as Regent of Tuornen I could only imagine..

    By the way did you take the toymaker plot into your game? What is he
    doing there?

    With all greetings
    Jaanus

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    jaanusl@postimees.ee

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