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  1. #1
    ron poirier
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    Warding?

    Can someone fly over the mist wall of a Warding spell?

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    Olesens
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    Warding?

    At first I would say no, but a wizard who blocked out the sun by putting a
    "roof" on his Warding might cause big trouble for the province. And it doesn't
    seem correct to think that the Warding walls extend up "forever." I would say
    that the Warding wall extends up fairly high, maybe a hundred feet below the
    level of most clouds. So most extradordinary flying animals (dragons, etc)
    would be able to do it but only with serious encouragement, as it would be
    quite a flight up. And it would take a high level wizard to cast the Fly or
    Levitate nessesary to go over the wall, at which point it would be simpler just
    to use some Divination spells to find your way through the fog. A good
    question...

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    Kenneth Gauck
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    Warding?

    Fog doesn't block light, it diffuses it, including reflecting some back into
    space.

    Since the purpose of the warding is to prevent enterance, that is what it
    should do.

    Kenneth Gauck
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    enq@completesystems.com.
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    RE: Warding?

    This came up a while ago, I believe the answer is no unless led by the caster
    of the warding.
    R.
    Dubhghaill (Doyle)

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    ron poirier
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    RE: Warding?

    OK, what about tunneling UNDER? Say through orog tunnels?

    At 11:52 AM 10/14/99 +1000, you wrote:
    >This came up a while ago, I believe the answer is no unless led by the caster
    >of the warding.
    >R.
    >Dubhghaill (Doyle)
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    Daniel McSorley
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    Warding?

    From: ron poirier

    >OK, what about tunneling UNDER? Say through orog tunnels?
    You know, I have never interpreted Ward as physically preventing access.
    I portrayed it more as a massive fog bank coupled w/ magical confusion,
    preventing anyone from finding their way through; you always seem to end up
    wandering in circles and coming out near where you started. The same could
    easily apply both above and below ground (especially the confusion and lack
    of landmarks), and I have always said that it did.
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    enq@completesystems.com.
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    RE: Warding?

    I'm fairly certain this isn't covered in the wording of the spell (not having
    rulebook with me), so it would come down to how the GM wants to treat it.
    Personally for my campaign I'd say no, but a tunnel specifically built and
    magicked against the warding spell might stay open - a long 5' wide corridor
    that is protected from the warding spell by a realm spell that must be cast
    before the warding is cast and lasts say 4 turns... there's something for your
    court mage to research :~)

    R.
    Dubhghaill (Doyle)

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    >OK, what about tunneling UNDER? Say through orog tunnels?
    >
    >At 11:52 AM 10/14/99 +1000, you wrote:
    >>This came up a while ago, I believe the answer is no unless led by the caster
    >>of the warding.
    >>R.
    >>Dubhghaill (Doyle)
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    Mark A Vandermeulen
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    Warding?

    On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Kenneth Gauck wrote:

    > Fog doesn't block light, it diffuses it, including reflecting some back into
    > space.
    >
    > Since the purpose of the warding is to prevent enterance, that is what it
    > should do.

    I completely agree, with the caveat that in my conception all spells have
    at least one achilles heel related to the ideosyncracies of the caster,
    which can potentially allow disruption or circumvention. In this case,
    I've ruled that any wizard who has a ley line into a warded province can
    "follow the line" into the province, and not be subject to the "confuse
    and repel" effect of the spell.

    If you need a physico-thaumic explanation for the ability of a "wall of
    fog" not to be overtopped by a flying beast/character, you can always use
    the classic "topless-wall" phenomenon. In other word, the wall doesn't
    seem very tall, and light can get down into the province. However, a
    character flying up finds, through a trick of perception and
    mind-fuddling, that no matter how high up she flies, she still can't see
    the top. In essence, the wall HAS no top, so can never be PERCEIVED as
    "below you," and can therefore never be overtopped.

    I would probably allow a "Wizard Eye" spell cast by a wizard of higher
    level than the Ward caster to "pierce" the effect (or at least have a
    chance to). And I would allow a PC to design a specific spell at a level
    or two lower that had only the ward-piercing function.

    The question that interests me is: is the wall of a Ward one-way, or
    two-ways. That is, does it also forbid people from LEAVING the province,
    or just from ENTERING the province? I don't recall the text of the spell
    well enough, and don't have the RB handy.

    Mark VanderMeulen
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    ron poirier
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    Warding?

    I believe the wall prevents people within from leaving. This is a pretty
    good thing to prevent constant use of this spell. It also allows for
    creative usage, such as (for example) a mage using the spell to trap an
    enemy army in one province before the army can move on him.

    At 01:28 PM 10/14/99 -0400, you wrote:
    >
    >
    >On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Kenneth Gauck wrote:
    >
    >> Fog doesn't block light, it diffuses it, including reflecting some back into
    >> space.
    >>
    >> Since the purpose of the warding is to prevent enterance, that is what it
    >> should do.
    >
    >I completely agree, with the caveat that in my conception all spells have
    >at least one achilles heel related to the ideosyncracies of the caster,
    >which can potentially allow disruption or circumvention. In this case,
    >I've ruled that any wizard who has a ley line into a warded province can
    >"follow the line" into the province, and not be subject to the "confuse
    >and repel" effect of the spell.
    >
    >If you need a physico-thaumic explanation for the ability of a "wall of
    >fog" not to be overtopped by a flying beast/character, you can always use
    >the classic "topless-wall" phenomenon. In other word, the wall doesn't
    >seem very tall, and light can get down into the province. However, a
    >character flying up finds, through a trick of perception and
    >mind-fuddling, that no matter how high up she flies, she still can't see
    >the top. In essence, the wall HAS no top, so can never be PERCEIVED as
    >"below you," and can therefore never be overtopped.
    >
    >I would probably allow a "Wizard Eye" spell cast by a wizard of higher
    >level than the Ward caster to "pierce" the effect (or at least have a
    >chance to). And I would allow a PC to design a specific spell at a level
    >or two lower that had only the ward-piercing function.
    >
    >The question that interests me is: is the wall of a Ward one-way, or
    >two-ways. That is, does it also forbid people from LEAVING the province,
    >or just from ENTERING the province? I don't recall the text of the spell
    >well enough, and don't have the RB handy.
    >
    >Mark VanderMeulen
    >vander+@pitt.edu
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