PC regent died?

[Kenneth Gauck]

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From: Soviet
Date: Sunday, August 22, 1999 11:48 PM

>Ok the most dreaded moment in my campaign happen last night....my PC regent
was
>killed...
>I was DM the adventure in Legacy of Kings :Blood Hunger, and due to extreme
>player stupidity, the regent got killed...right now I'm at a loss, frankly
I
>don't know what to do now...
>anyone have any ideas?

Does the regent have surving family? If there are not natural heirs, have
the realm taken over by a Jaison Rainech type minister. Or better yet,
Sabastian of Portugal, who died in 1578 in Morocco would be my model for the
situation.

Sebastion (1557-1578) was the sole surving heir of John III. Sabastian
invaded Morocco, was defeated and died, leaving no heirs except his elderly
uncle, Cardinal Henry, who died two years later. Philip II of Spain had the
best claim to Portugal, and had a large army. In 1640, Portugal was
effected by the land choosing a regent who was not also king of Spain, but
that was 60 years later.

Kenneth Gauck
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[David Thomas]

>Ok the most dreaded moment in my campaign happen last night....my PC
>regent was
>killed..
>I was DM the adventure in Legacy of Kings :Blood Hunger, and due to extreme
>player stupidity, the regent got killed...right now I'm at a loss, frankly I
>don't know what to do now...
>anyone have any ideas?


Oh, God, do I sympathize. I like to create very intricate plots that draw
my PCs in personally, so when a PC regent dies, there goes my entire plot!
Hmmmmm. (I've fudged a certainly-lethal roll a couple of times...."the
fireball did, uhm, 10 points of damage! You're very lucky!")

But when it's extreme player stupidity, you just have to kill them. I think
it's worse in BR campaigns than anywhere else: you can't resurrect them,
because their bloodline doesn't come back, even if you could find a priest
high enough level with the correct sphere access to cast the spell!

It all depends on how nice a DM you are, and how smart your player is. For
example, if I had a player who wasn't an idiot who got killed, I would
offer him or her the opportunity to play the dead PC's heir. That could be
a wife/husband, child (if the child is old enough), ward, or "land's
choice".

"Land's choice" is a wonderful device here, because the PC doens't have to
be stuck with the class/stats/personality that comes with taking over an
existing NPC. (My world is very rich in NPCs, as I'm sure yours is, and the
NPCs get married and have children and interrelate in a way that adds very
much to the political tapestry of my campaign, which the players love. My
players are all a bit older and very smart and we RARELY adventure: they're
too busy ruling and plotting with and against each other and various NPCs
to actually don armor and fight something! LOL)

So if you do land's choice, the PC can continue, at least to a certain
degree, all the plot's s/he had before, because he has the same enemy
states, some challenges, all that. If he's a good roleplayer, he might
approach the new PC from a very different perspective (lawful instead of
chaotic, etc), but he can at least still go for the same goals.

Otherwise, the focus of your game might have to shift from Khourane to
Rovninodensk, or wherever! :) I know--I'd hate the thought of that too.
"I just spend 8 hours detailing the Magian's realm and now I have to figure
out what's going on in the Raven's realm!"

By the way, I think Khourane is the best realm on Cerilia (that has its own
Player's Secret). There's SO much to work with. Black Spear Tribes, Djafra
(what a mess!), and el-Sirad to the west, the Magian and the Minotaur to
the east, the Serpent to the south (awnsheghlien on three borders!), the
best sources in all of Cerilia, bar none, and a culture clash (proud
Khinasi nation WITHOUT a single Avani holding...those Halaia and Sarma
worshippers corrupting the minds of Khourane youth with their "Western"
ideas...why, any day now, they're going to drop the proper Khinasi name and
start calling him Haelyn, right on the streets of Ber Falaia!).

What are your favorites, people?

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[David Thomas]

I just looked it up, actually, and only priests of Nasri, Sarma, Rilni, and
Kreisha have access to the major necromantic sphere, so resurrection is
highly limited, even without the bloodline problem. (I have a
Khinasi-centric POV, so pardon the Khinasi-isms.) :)

I think most churches of Nasri and Kreisha would be philosophically opposed
to resurrection, and Sarma churches would charge a king's ransom, if you
pardon the expression. That leaves Rilni's as the only priesthood that
might actually cast the spell, and then only to wealthy and/or powerful,
unblooded worshippers of the god. And how many 9th level priests of Rilni
are there in Cerilia? No more than 5, if that, I'd imagine.

That means "raise dead" has probably been cast no more than a handful of
times in the 2000-year history of the campaign world. Interesting.


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[Soviet]

Ok the most dreaded moment in my campaign happen last night....my PC regent was
killed..
I was DM the adventure in Legacy of Kings :Blood Hunger, and due to extreme
player stupidity, the regent got killed...right now I'm at a loss, frankly I
don't know what to do now...
anyone have any ideas?
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[Pieter Sleijpen]

David Thomas wrote:
>
> I just looked it up, actually, and only priests of Nasri, Sarma, Rilni, and
> Kreisha have access to the major necromantic sphere, so resurrection is
> highly limited, even without the bloodline problem. (I have a
> Khinasi-centric POV, so pardon the Khinasi-isms.) :)
>
> I think most churches of Nasri and Kreisha would be philosophically opposed
> to resurrection, and Sarma churches would charge a king's ransom, if you
> pardon the expression. That leaves Rilni's as the only priesthood that
> might actually cast the spell, and then only to wealthy and/or powerful,
> unblooded worshippers of the god. And how many 9th level priests of Rilni
> are there in Cerilia? No more than 5, if that, I'd imagine.
>
> That means "raise dead" has probably been cast no more than a handful of
> times in the 2000-year history of the campaign world. Interesting.
>

Well, in Mairada there happens to be a priest that can cast resurrection
:-)

Anyway's, my players tend to dread asking the priests of Rilni for that
favor :-) The priests of Rilni never ask money in my campaign, but
services that help strengthen the barrier between the Shadow World or
destroy horrors from the other side.

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[Manta]

>
> Sebastion (1557-1578) was the sole surving heir of John III. Sabastian
> invaded Morocco, was defeated and died, leaving no heirs except his
elderly
> uncle, Cardinal Henry, who died two years later. Philip II of Spain had
the
> best claim to Portugal, and had a large army. In 1640, Portugal was
> effected by the land choosing a regent who was not also king of Spain,
but
> that was 60 years later.
>
> Kenneth Gauck
> c558382@earthlink.net
>

And the death of D. Sebastião (or Sebastian as you said) gave rise to
"Sebastianismo" (or Sebastianism): the creed or conviction that the late
King would someday return from the Alcacer Quibir (the place in Morocco
where the battle was fought) in a "misty night".
The fact is that Sebastião´s body was never found...
Even long after the death of D. Sebastião, Sebastianismo returned
recurentlly in moments of national crisis, whenever a "saviour" (not
Sebastião for he was long dead) was needed.
(Sebastianismo was used as a political weapon by the Portuguese crergy(sp?)
during the 1630´s campaign against Castela).
Another note: according to my sources Sebastião was born in 1554(Lisbon)
and not 1557.


César Manta
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[Grimwell, Cerilian]

>From: Soviet
>Ok the most dreaded moment in my campaign happen last night....my PC regent
>was
>killed..
>I was DM the adventure in Legacy of Kings :Blood Hunger, and due to extreme
>player stupidity, the regent got killed...right now I'm at a loss, frankly
>I
>don't know what to do now...
>anyone have any ideas?
>

Well, this has created a nice Resurrection discussion (thanks to those who
are talking it up, good stuff); but I think that's not on target for this.

Your PC regent died. This sucks, PC's don't die often so it's rough when
they do; when they are regents as well... ouch.

Now then, I will assume that your other PC's essentially served as henchmen,
lieutenants, and friends. The next phase of the game should be them dealing
with the fallout. If you find a way to bring the regent back easy, it robs
them of their specialness (if they die will they be brought back??).

Have all the political factions in your land whip up and make claims on the
throne. Also have a few neighboring regents try to muscle for some influence
(or attack and try to nab a province).

The existing PC's can then try to survive the storm, and help guide a good
person to the throne. The guy who died can make a new character and get
involved in this.

Perhaps one of the PC's can make a play for the throne.

Essentially, as I see it, you have one of the most exciting and volatile
situations on hand: a power vaccum. Create some frenzy, strife, and chaos
while you fill it. It'll be fun and memorable.


>
Grimwell, wizard of Cerilia
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[Narek]

Soviet wrote:
>
> Okay , I have tought about it and perhaps my PC regent dying might have been the
> best thing to happen to the campaign..

>
> needs a little work, but what do you all think of my Outline for the next 5-6
> adventures?

I just have to ask: What domain is this? It
sounds perfect for what I was looking to have
my BR campaign set in.
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[Soviet]

Okay , I have tought about it and perhaps my PC regent dying might have been the
best thing to happen to the campaign..
let me explain:
Okay thinking about who could lay claim to the Throne..well there is an NPC who
is the current Commander of the armies of the Duchy, there is the old Commander
of the armies who was exiled (another NPC) but still has loyal suppporters,
there is a PC (F/T) who has insidiuosly taken comercial control of the capital
and some provinces, There is another PC (paladin,Haelyn) who has the support of
the Church..
add to this a neighborhood enemy Domain looking to anex some provinces, and the
Anshewleign leading some goblins raids to the north..
mix it all up = Civil war, Invasion, backstabbing, and what would be the
greatest epic battle of the campaign...

as I have forseen it the Duchy will be torn asunder by Civil War, and in the
midst of this an invasion by the Goblin hordes in which the people of the Duchy
must unite under one ruler or suffer complete obliteration by the hordes of
goblinkind and in the aftermath deal with an invading army from a foreign
force.....

needs a little work, but what do you all think of my Outline for the next 5-6
adventures?

"Grimwell, Cerilian" wrote:

> >From: Soviet
> >Ok the most dreaded moment in my campaign happen last night....my PC regent
> >was
> >killed..
> >I was DM the adventure in Legacy of Kings :Blood Hunger, and due to extreme
> >player stupidity, the regent got killed...right now I'm at a loss, frankly
> >I
> >don't know what to do now...
> >anyone have any ideas?
> >
>
> Well, this has created a nice Resurrection discussion (thanks to those who
> are talking it up, good stuff); but I think that's not on target for this.
>
> Your PC regent died. This sucks, PC's don't die often so it's rough when
> they do; when they are regents as well... ouch.
>
> Now then, I will assume that your other PC's essentially served as henchmen,
> lieutenants, and friends. The next phase of the game should be them dealing
> with the fallout. If you find a way to bring the regent back easy, it robs
> them of their specialness (if they die will they be brought back??).
>
> Have all the political factions in your land whip up and make claims on the
> throne. Also have a few neighboring regents try to muscle for some influence
> (or attack and try to nab a province).
>
> The existing PC's can then try to survive the storm, and help guide a good
> person to the throne. The guy who died can make a new character and get
> involved in this.
>
> Perhaps one of the PC's can make a play for the throne.
>
> Essentially, as I see it, you have one of the most exciting and volatile
> situations on hand: a power vaccum. Create some frenzy, strife, and chaos
> while you fill it. It'll be fun and memorable.
>
> >
> Grimwell, wizard of Cerilia
> The Birthright Revival is NOW! :)
> When you've had the best, why buy the rest?
>
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[Kenneth Gauck]

- -----Original Message-----
From: Manta
Date: Monday, August 23, 1999 8:13 AM
>
>And the death of D. Sebastião (or Sebastian as you said) gave rise to
>"Sebastianismo" (or Sebastianism): the creed or conviction that the late
>King would someday return from the Alcacer Quibir (the place in Morocco
>where the battle was fought) in a "misty night".

This is an interesting phenomena also associated with King Arthur (the once
and future king) and Frederich Barbaroasa.

I had a character die once IMC, and much later in the game I brought back
the dead PC without warning the player. He appeared next to a tree some 200
miles away from the location of his death and many years later (the campaign
had progressed), he was wounded as he had been at death, and was near death
at the moment. A good Samaritan happened along and nursed the character
back to health. Where the charatcer was during this time was never
explained.

I just felt the character was too much fun, so I revived him on my own
terms.

Kenneth Gauck
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