Results 1 to 3 of 3
  1. #1
    Pieter Sleijpen

    Fw: More questions from a BR ne

    My impression on the recieving of the power of the gods at Deismaar is
    that it had nothing directly to do with worshipping. If I remember
    correctly, it is somewhere written down that the believes were
    important. Elven ethiques and way of living are easily combined with
    what Reynir and Vorynn stood for and as such they could recieve his
    bloodline. If they have other bloodlines, then that might be the result
    of bloodtheft. After all it is hinted in several places that devirations
    can change if the bloodline becomes more and more from an other
    deviration (awnsheighlien are the prime examples).

    I like the idea of a 0 bloodline for all elves though, because that fits
    perfectly with my vision on them and their closeness to the land.

    As for elven priests, I don't think it would expressely forbidden. They
    just don't believe in the idea of worship and such. In theory I see no
    reason why elves could not be priests.

    Pieter Sleijpen

    To unsubscribe from this list send mail to
    with the line

  2. #2
    Andreas Kjeldsen

    Fw: More questions from a BR ne

    > As for elven priests, I don't think it would expressely forbidden. They
    > just don't believe in the idea of worship and such. In theory I see no
    > reason why elves could not be priests.

    Exactly. IMO&C, the Elves 'believe' in the gods in the sense that
    they acknowledge their existence as powerful magical/mythical
    entities. However, they choose not to worship them, because 1) they
    see them as a 'human thing', an creation of the humans which the
    elves should not get involved with and 2) they have their own
    'religion' (as in Greatheart, I think it was).

    If an individual elf would choose to worship a god, it sould be
    possible for him to recieve clerical powers. However, he would be
    ostracised by his fellow elves as a traitor, and the established
    human churches would likely have nothing to do with him either.
    ("He's an elf, a pagan. Why would our lord [Aeric/Haelyn/fill in as
    needed] bless *him* with his holy gift?")

    So I think the reason why there are no known elf priests is that they
    either didn't live long enough to tell the story, or they were never
    recognized as priests by the 'established' clergy.


    Andreas Kjeldsen
    ICQ# 12703652To unsubscribe from this list send mail to
    with the line

  3. #3
    Snow .

    Fw: More questions from a BR ne

    >From: "John Sweeney"
    >Subject: Fw: [BIRTHRIGHT] - More questions from a BR newbie
    >Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:49:20 -0400
    >I was wondering if anyone had considered an alternate system. If >elves
    >have the essences of gods in them, why shouldn't they be able >to be
    >priests? I figure elves can have a bloodline similar to human >ones, but
    >which gave them their own distinct primal connection to >the land. This
    >would serve to enhance the separatism between the >races, and provide more
    >points of contention between them, in >addition to resolving a few of the
    >uncomfortable questions that >having them share bloodlines with humans
    >raise. I'm thinking of >writing such a system up, and I was wondering if
    >anyone would be >interested in such a thing.

    In my campaign, any Elf (PC or exceptional NPC) that wishes to become a
    priest can. The problem with the majority of Elves is belief in a deity,
    not lacking the ability to become the priest.

    >The basics of the system as I'm envisioning it:
    >ALL elves are blooded. Their "Blood Abilities" will cover elven >racial
    >abilities, with a few extras, to even them up with the human >scions. Elves
    >did not inherit the human bloodlines because, as they >have never
    >worshipped, prayed to, or otherwise been connected to the >gods, the
    >god-energy washed right over them like water off a duck's >back during the
    >cataclysm at Deismaar. The exception is Rhuobe, who >remained dedicated and
    >faithful to Azrai, and was rewarded with the >bloodline of that god (it
    >replaces his elven blood-heritage) True >elven "scions" will always have a
    >blood rating higher than "tainted" >(the standard elf) Since the fall of
    >Elven power, VERY few True->blooded elves remain, which is another reason
    >for many elves' hatred >of humans.

    I'd give all the Elves the Elven racial abilities from Birthright
    automatically, because to take away a base ability because of poor bloodline
    is a serious penalty and they already cannot dual class or reach any level
    without restriction, or be of any class. I'd recommend giving them
    additional powers if this is the way you wanna go in your setting. If you
    want to model the powers after nature, perhaps giving Elves druid/ranger
    like abilities, but without taking away from those two classes....; whatever
    works for you and your players.

    >Dwarves also have a bloodline which pre-dates Deismaar. Like elves, >all
    >dwarves are blooded, but dwarves also have priests and gods. The >god
    >Moradin is a dwarf of ancient antiquity who rose to godhood, and
    > >shepherded his people from on high. The rest of the minor gods in >the
    >dwarven pantheon are similar dwarves, and the heaven-born >children of
    >those deified dwarves. (Elves, because they are so >individualistic, never
    >accomplished this)

    The simplest system, is that Dwarves are willing to believe in powers, while
    Elves are not (this being true for 99.89% of the population).

    >Goblins, who are distantly related to humans, absorbed the same
    >god->energies as the humans, but many of them absorbed the blood of Azrai
    > >and became awnsheghlien, or were wiped out in the chaos following >the
    >discovery of Bloodtheft. Therefore, there are few blooded >goblins
    >remaining...and goblins still worship their pantheon of >minor gods and
    >spirits, in addition to some veneration of the new >human pantheon
    >(especially Belinik)

    Goblins are as closely related to humans as they are to Dwarves, Elves or
    any other similar race.. I'd agree, most of the Goblins at Deismar followed
    Azrai, so any who survive or acquired those bloodlines ie, The Spider, would
    be ansheghlien by now, or long dead.

    >I expected something like this, and was planning to implement pretty >much
    >exactly the same thing under the system I was developing. I >need to go buy
    >Priest/Magecraft books and read those rules so I can >use them.

    >I'll check that out, but still it seems rather silly that I would >have to
    >go on the internet to get support for something that was >included in the
    >original boxed set. "Ruins of Empire" should have >included at least a
    >mention of those specialized units in the >listings for those kingdoms.
    >It's just a minor gripe anyway, I was >planning on just having them replace
    >a unit of knights or something.

    Actually, you don't need to use the net for support. The units were
    included to add flavor and show by example. The setting is dynamic, and
    changes in each campaign world. Obviously, the unit would have to be
    superior in some way, even if only a minor change, otherwise a regent would
    just muster the original unit. Therefore, the unit will likely have
    limitations upon it, perhaps costing more to muster or maintain, or being
    limited in the number of units of this type available. Perhaps you have a
    Patriot unit, that costs less to muster and maintain, due to their
    patriotism, but if the unit is lost in foreign territory, like a Levy, will
    cost the province something. I believe, as long as it is semi-balanced,
    these cards represent TSR/WotC's efforts to show you the setting is yours,
    do with it as you will.

    >I think you misunderstood my question. According the the BR >rulebook,
    >"True mages (and regent mages) function under the same >rules and
    >restrictions detailed in the Player's Handbook. They may >choose to be
    >mages or specialist wizards of any school *except >illusion and
    >divination*" [emphasis mine](pg 12). Similarly, under >the class heading
    >for "Magician", it states, "Magicians are >automatically considered to be
    >specialists in the schools of >illusion and divination,..." (pg 13).
    >Therefore, I ask again, how >can Caliedhe Dosiere be a diviner? Is he a
    >magician with no access >to realm magic or 3rd level magic other than
    >divination/illusion, or >is he an exception to the rule?

    I'd just assume the book is a misprint, and was meant to say xxxx/magician.

    >The point I was trying to make is Humans would not accept a 1/2 elf
    > >leader. They would rebel against the "changeling", and exile the >poor
    >deposed regent back to his "faerie kin" (if they even let >him/her live).

    Perhaps this is true, in a land with a population of mostly humans. What of
    a land with a mostly Elven population, or a land bordered by Elves who have
    strong influence in the area? If the regency was passed to an Elf or
    Half-Elf, the people might rebel in some lands, but in others the people are
    more tolerant. If you want to run a campaing in which Humans and
    Elves/Half-Elves are in a genocidal war, because they just cannot get along,
    the end result will be no Elves in your setting. Still the battles and
    conflict would be a very interesting background for the setting, and could
    create any number of plots, counterplots and story seeds in which to
    entangle your players.

    >And again, has this stuff already been discussed before?

    I'd guess some of it has been, but if you've got a question, post it. If
    you've got any ideas, opinions or what have you, we'd appreciate the
    activity on the list..


    __________________________________________________ ____
    Get Your Private, Free Email at unsubscribe from this list send mail to
    with the line

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. New Here and a few Questions
    By Paladin132 in forum The Royal Library
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 03-23-2006, 02:27 AM
  2. Questions and regarding my last pos
    By Christopher Kira in forum MPGN Mailinglist archive 1996-1999
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 05-28-1999, 06:55 PM
  3. more questions
    By Aedan Dosier in forum MPGN Mailinglist archive 1996-1999
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 08-11-1998, 04:10 PM
  4. 2 questions
    By Kyle Foster in forum MPGN Mailinglist archive 1996-1999
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 05-18-1998, 12:58 AM
  5. Questions II
    By Sepsis in forum MPGN Mailinglist archive 1996-1999
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 01-02-1998, 03:00 PM

Tags for this Thread


Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
BIRTHRIGHT, DUNGEONS & DRAGONS, D&D, the BIRTHRIGHT logo, and the D&D logo are trademarks owned by Wizards of the Coast, Inc., a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc., and are used by permission. ©2002-2010 Wizards of the Coast, Inc.