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  1. #1
    Olesens
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    Goblins in Monstruous anual IV?

    > How different are they from the stats in the boxed set?

    As I recall, they are exactly the same as those published in the Birthright
    materials. I think the goal was to get people to say "wow, what cool monsters,
    I want to buy Birthright." Although I think throwing in a few awnsheglien
    would have done a better job of that.
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    Daniel McSorley
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    Goblins in Monstruous anual IV?

    From: Olesens

    >> How different are they from the stats in the boxed set?
    >
    >As I recall, they are exactly the same as those published in the Birthright
    >materials. I think the goal was to get people to say "wow, what cool
    monsters,
    >I want to buy Birthright." Although I think throwing in a few awnsheglien
    >would have done a better job of that.
    >
    No! I don't want anyone else to know about the awnsheghlien. Those are
    for BR players only! It's our one remaining perk. They took away the "low
    magic" thing with all those dang magical items; they threw in some drow; and
    then to kick us while we were down, they put a psionicist on the Hydra! I
    feel like I'm playing in FR or GH, and the only thing holding back the evil
    tide is the awnsheghlien! If we gave those to those stupid FRers, they'd be
    putting them in their campaigns, getting their grimy little hands all over
    them, and saying "Oh, Elminster could beat 6 Gorgons!" There aren't 6
    gorgons, there is one GORGON!!!! Grumble stupid grumble FR grumble monty
    haul grumble drow grumble.
    Besides, I want my players to feel terror when I describe the horrors
    bearing down on them. "I thought you said nobody had ever seen a dragon on
    this world."
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    Soviet
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    Goblins in Monstruous anual IV?

    How different are they from the stats in the boxed set?
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    Narek
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    Goblins in Monstruous anual IV?

    Daniel McSorley wrote:
    > >
    > No! I don't want anyone else to know about the awnsheghlien. Those are
    > for BR players only! It's our one remaining perk. They took away the "low
    > magic" thing with all those dang magical items; they threw in some drow; and
    > then to kick us while we were down, they put a psionicist on the Hydra!

    Just so I know, where are the drow and the lots of magical items?
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    Daniel McSorley
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    Goblins in Monstruous anual IV?

    From: Narek

    >Daniel McSorley wrote:
    >> >
    >> No! I don't want anyone else to know about the awnsheghlien. Those
    are
    >> for BR players only! It's our one remaining perk. They took away the
    "low
    >> magic" thing with all those dang magical items; they threw in some drow;
    and
    >> then to kick us while we were down, they put a psionicist on the Hydra!
    >
    >Just so I know, where are the drow and the lots of magical items?
    The drow was in one of those adventures I never bought because I read
    reviews of it on this list. Couldn't tell you which one.
    The magical items? They're EVERYWHERE, man! I was re-reading Rjurik
    Highlands the other night to find an appropriate spot to stick a campaign
    idea, and when I read the NPCs, every other one had a +5 this or a xx of
    power that. The whole rest of the Rjurik expansion talks about how lots of
    sources are unclaimed because the land isn't settled and no wizards have
    come there. So where the heck did all these magical items come from? The
    writer's rear end, IMO. "Oh, no one will believe these are real powerful
    people unless they have a Holy Sword." They're kings! In a "low magic"
    land! Make them kings, not walking magic boutiques! I just decided to edit
    them _all_ out, every last magical item mentioned in the books, except the
    tighmaevril weapons. That way, I can control the distribution completely.
    When wizards have sources to tap, study, and defend, they have better things
    to do than make magical weapons.
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    JulesMrshn@aol.co
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    Goblins in Monstruous anual IV?

    In a message dated 8/12/99 10:56:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
    mcsorley.1@osu.edu writes:

  7. #7
    Soviet
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    Goblins in Monstruous anual IV?

    do I as I do...have extremly few magical Items..but those that exist are very
    powerful...
    For example: one of my PC found a shield salled Spelleater that has no plus to
    Ac but has a 25% chance to absorb any missile like spell aim at him (magi
    missile, lightning bolt,melf's acid arrow, etc..), and there is Swift-Cut an
    Long sowrd of Elven craftmanship that also doen't has any plusses but does
    1d10/ad12 dmg(much like a Katana) and has a speed factor of 1....
    see how better they are than a simple sword +2 and this way you can keep control
    on the THACO and AC of the PCs...

    Daniel McSorley wrote:

    > From: Narek
    >
    > >Daniel McSorley wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> No! I don't want anyone else to know about the awnsheghlien. Those
    > are
    > >> for BR players only! It's our one remaining perk. They took away the
    > "low
    > >> magic" thing with all those dang magical items; they threw in some drow;
    > and
    > >> then to kick us while we were down, they put a psionicist on the Hydra!
    > >
    > >Just so I know, where are the drow and the lots of magical items?
    > The drow was in one of those adventures I never bought because I read
    > reviews of it on this list. Couldn't tell you which one.
    > The magical items? They're EVERYWHERE, man! I was re-reading Rjurik
    > Highlands the other night to find an appropriate spot to stick a campaign
    > idea, and when I read the NPCs, every other one had a +5 this or a xx of
    > power that. The whole rest of the Rjurik expansion talks about how lots of
    > sources are unclaimed because the land isn't settled and no wizards have
    > come there. So where the heck did all these magical items come from? The
    > writer's rear end, IMO. "Oh, no one will believe these are real powerful
    > people unless they have a Holy Sword." They're kings! In a "low magic"
    > land! Make them kings, not walking magic boutiques! I just decided to edit
    > them _all_ out, every last magical item mentioned in the books, except the
    > tighmaevril weapons. That way, I can control the distribution completely.
    > When wizards have sources to tap, study, and defend, they have better things
    > to do than make magical weapons.
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    > http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~mcsorley/
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    Narek
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    Goblins in Monstruous anual IV?

    Complete Systems wrote:
    >
    > A few, yes.
    > 2-3 per NPC, no.

    I have to agree here. One for important NPCs is fine, but two to three is
    alittle much, and even two or three I could see for the likes of Aeric
    Boeruine and Darien Avan....but even they have too many because they're
    carrying around items with +4, +5 bonuses - in groups of 3!! I started looking
    into my Birthright stuff after he told me about the propensity of magic items,
    and in the main box set I found a list of magic item holding NPC's which
    horrified me. Just look in Ruins of Empire, Aeric Boeruine carries a bastard
    sword +4, named Kingslayer....that's ok, but combined with a suit of +4 Field
    Plate Mail its too much. Kingslayer and Field Plate Mail +1 are fine, he is a
    contender for the Iron Throne. Darien Avan has a Long Sword + 4 and a short
    sword +3, they're not so bad, but combined with _Elven_ Chain Mail _+5_, its
    all alittle ridiculous...this isn't FR. He isn't even an elf or ruler of an
    elven domain. But even those two could be explained away, they're great and
    powerful rulers. Its the next page that really hurts - an Anuirean Ranger
    who's hook is his tighmaevril spear +5, but why does he need boots of speed
    and leather armor +2? Its all downhill from there, nonregents walking around
    with bags o' magic items; unneccasary scale mail +2, 20 arrrows +2, 2 sets of
    bracers of defense AC 4, and chain mail +3. I'm not criticising any of the
    NPCs with names for their items or who have only one, but its just alittle too
    much. Tie'skar Graecher and Grimm Graybeard are perfect, one medium bonus to a
    prized weapon for each of them...and both are regents (it makes sense). Any
    one else have thoughts on this?
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    Mark A Vandermeulen
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    Goblins in Monstruous anual IV?

    On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Narek wrote:


    > much. Tie'skar Graecher and Grimm Graybeard are perfect, one medium bonus to a
    > prized weapon for each of them...and both are regents (it makes sense). Any
    > one else have thoughts on this?

    I completely agree. Plus, even if they were renouned adventurers and DID
    manage to collect a war chest of magical items, it might be more useful to
    a regent to distribute some of the goods to loyal vassals and trusted
    allies, to seal diplomatic agreements (if you don't have any of
    the traditional daughters :) ), etc. What makes more sense to you: you
    have two magical swords, you can keep them both, in case you manage to
    loose or break one of them, or you can give one of them to the guy who is
    going to be fighting on the next horse over in the next war?

    Mark VanderMeulen
    vander+@pitt.edu
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    Goblins in Monstruous anual IV?

    >
    > I have to agree here. One for important NPCs is fine, but two to three is
    > alittle much, and even two or three I could see for the likes of Aeric
    > Boeruine and Darien Avan....but even they have too many because they're
    > carrying around items with +4, +5 bonuses - in groups of 3!!

    (snip analysis of items on various NPCs

    > I'm not criticising any of the
    > NPCs with names for their items or who have only one, but its just alittle too
    > much. Tie'skar Graecher and Grimm Graybeard are perfect, one medium bonus to a
    > prized weapon for each of them...and both are regents (it makes sense). Any
    > one else have thoughts on this?

    Yep, just one. If something in a printed product doesn't fit into your campaign
    for some reason, change it. Aeric Boeruine's magic item list got you down? I
    don't see an issue with it, I truely doubt that any player is going to get into
    direct conflict with him to the point where his actual items will make a
    difference. Avan and Boeruine having stacks of items too big for your taste? Well
    they are the top to contenders for a throne that once ruled 3/4th of the
    continent, I would expect them to have some good stuff.

    breye

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