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  1. #1
    SCO Adam Theo
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    Anuirean / Real World

    Hello birthright, Adam Theo here. (Monday, July 19, 1999, 1:34 AM)

    okay, i'd like to start a discussion on history, with all this talk
    of it in the real world. so, to start, i want to ask:
    what real world culture(s) does Anuirean seem to be based on? what
    is the history and run-down of this real world culture? such as,

    where/when was it?

    what cultures did it spawn/evolve into?

    what were the technologies of this culture?

    and also, what would be it's relationship with the Celtic culture,
    which the elven culture seems to be based on?

    what i am looking for is a way to 'spread out' the anuirean culture a
    bit. for example, i seem to think that because of the very long
    separation from the 'father land' (aduria), that
    Anuire/rjurik/brechtur are the only 'european cultures' in the BR
    world. i mean european as taking RW counterparts and making them into
    fantasy models. for example, could there be a subsection of Anuire
    that was more 'spanish', and another that was more 'itailian'?

    comments?

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    Pieter Sleijpen
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    SCO Adam Theo wrote:

    > what i am looking for is a way to 'spread out' the anuirean culture a
    > bit. for example, i seem to think that because of the very long
    > separation from the 'father land' (aduria), that
    > Anuire/rjurik/brechtur are the only 'european cultures' in the BR
    > world. i mean european as taking RW counterparts and making them into
    > fantasy models. for example, could there be a subsection of Anuire
    > that was more 'spanish', and another that was more 'itailian'?

    As far as I understood the Khinasi culture was not purely Arabic based,
    but also had its Spanish and Italian influences...

    Pieter Sleijpen
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    Mark A Vandermeulen
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    Anuirean / Real World

    On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Kenneth Gauck wrote:

    > > Alexander the Great actually fought Celts north of Macedonia when he
    > >was young. Although they were later replaced by subsequent invasions
    > >of tribal plainsmen and pushed to the west, its that kind of culture that I
    > >imagine that the old Andu culture was like.
    >
    > The people to the north and north-east of Macedonia were the Thracians. A
    > linquistically and archeaologocally different group from the Celts. To the
    > north west were the Illyrians, and I know Philip campaigned against thme,
    > though again, linguistically and archeaological a different group from the
    > Celts.

    OK, after a bit of research, I'm not sure where the Alexander story came
    from. But the Greek historian Diodorus certainly new about them in the
    first century BC. And the Celts appear to have invaded down the west coast
    of the Adriatic, attacking the Illyrians and the Skordiscians around 325
    BC, and may have advanced even further south. If I'm remembering
    correctly, that should be around the right time for Alexander, although
    perhaps a little late. The Celts may not have attacked Macedonia until
    after Alexander's death.

    > I don't know that the Celts were pushed west, so much as the conquered in a
    > westerly direction.

    OK, granted. Sloppy rhetoric on my part. At any rate, the celtic influence
    is more dilute in the east, where the Celts were conquered earlier and
    more frequently.

    > As for clans, everyone had them at some points. You can see them in Homer's
    > Illiad. Since the interest is elsewhere, we don't get a close look at the
    > way political power projects down into the tribe, but the appearance is
    > there. Also, Homer wrote later almost 400 years later, and society had
    > changed. Homer often intermixed elements of 1200 BC which had come down in
    > the tales, and 800 BC, his own era.

    OK. That's all fine, but now that you've corrected my faulty history,
    would you care to contribute to the subject? Does this mean you DON'T
    think there is a celtic element to the Anuirean culture? Or that you think
    that any celtic influence is far overshadowed by cultural similarities to
    another culture? The Franco-germanic reinterpretation of the Romans in the
    HRE, perhaps? (Which is an era about which I don't know much, culturally.)

    Mark VanderMeulen
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    Kenneth Gauck
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    - -----Original Message-----
    From: Mark A Vandermeulen
    Date: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 10:52 AM
    >
    >Does this mean you DON'T think there is a celtic element to the Anuirean
    >culture? Or that you think that any celtic influence is far overshadowed by
    >cultural similarities to another culture? The Franco-germanic
    reinterpretation
    >of the Romans in the HRE, perhaps? (Which is an era about which I don't
    >know much, culturally.)

    I take the direct Celtic influence to be limited strictly to the elves.
    What Celtic influence there appears to be in other Anuirean cultures I take
    to be direct elven influence.

    If we take the Anuireans to be a kind of Anglo-Frank-Saxon style culture,
    advancing as the English and French did, despite their very Germanic
    origins; and the Rjurik as Danes, Swedes and Norse, and the Brecht as being
    out an out Germans, we can imagine an original cutural unity (dating no
    doubt to long before the War of the Shadow). By the time of the migration
    to Cerilia, the group had grown and sub-divided into these three races
    (perhaps the Vos were at one time much more like them) and in the face of
    colonization of a new world, retained their cultural unity as Brecht,
    Anuirean, or Rjurik.

    So when I name Anuirean NPC's I have a strong preference for English and
    French spellings of Germanic names:
    Louis, Charles, Albert, Frederic, Bernard, William or Guillaume, and
    Geoffrey.
    If the NPC's were Brecht, or addressed by a Brecht, they would be called:
    Ludwig, Karl, Albrecht, Frederich, Bernhard, Wilhelm, and Gottfried.

    Names that are RL Celtic names I try to reserve for the elves, and when I
    let a published Celtic name slip through, my explanation is that after such
    prolonged contact there has been the adoption of some elven names. This
    generally denotes a family who believes elves can be befriended and that
    hostilities against them are an error.

    Tannistry, the Irish system of inheritance by the toughest, I see as elven.
    The humans practice various kinds of partable and impartable inheritance.
    Dwarves always practice strict partable inheritance, even dividing tools
    between several people.

    Kenneth Gauck
    c558382@earthlink.net

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