Well, I don't consider darkstar's PBEM one of the ones in which I declared
war in. I was Caelcorwynn, and I supported Isaelie's war, which was
basically a war of attrition. Although I did declare war once in that game
(under Dragon3125), I was prevented from my objective by the DM allowing the
Basarji Federation to change their actions and redo basically what amounted
to their entire turn. James Ruhland can attest to this little fact. Had
the game been played by the rules (i.e. initiative), I would have been
successful at that point as well. At least, everything was looking up at
that point.

Memnoch

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From: owner-birthright@lists.imagiconline.com
[mailto:owner-birthright@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of Chrys murphy
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 1999 7:40 AM
To: birthright@lists.imagiconline.com
Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - A small whine...

Your words have merit but most of the wars I have been involved in as a
player
and as a DM in PBeM's have not ended in the desired results. The best war is
a
short one that is over before it can escalate with other groups joining the
cause of either side or before setbacks can occur to reverse the war.
Take Darkstar's defunct Anuire/Khinasi PBeM. I played Zikala and, Turn 1
Ariya
invaded. I sat back and defended ceding province by province to the attacker
until he was spread so thin I could attack wherever I wanted. I
counterattacked,
crossed his border and sacked a province, warded most of his army into
another
province and Aftane invaded Ariya with a huge army (after months of
diplomatic
talks between me & the Red Kings whilst Ariya rampaged). Result ? Ariya was
forced to hand my provinces back, pay me a sum of GB and pay Afgtane an
astronomical sum of GB's to pull their troops out - and half of Ariya's
Provinces were pillaged.

Wars are a good tool, but should only be used when you can be relatively
assured
of a quick, decisive victory. Peace is a cover for the political wars of
Diplomacy which are at least as important to a realm's survival. Without all
those pacts and agreements a realm would be seen as vulnerable - having no
friends to come to it's aid and thus ripe for conquest.

Memnoch wrote:

> Oh, yes, I have the same thoughts... However, I have won the wars that I
> start... I do use planning and espionage, and underhanded but effective
> tactics...
>
> Although, I have only declared war three times in the entire time that I
have
> played PBEMs... I won all three times...or at least achieved my objective.
>
> Memnoch
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-birthright@lists.imagiconline.com
> [mailto:owner-birthright@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of
> JulesMrshn@aol.com
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 4:40 PM
> To: birthright@lists.imagiconline.com
> Subject: [BIRTHRIGHT] - A small whine...
>
> I have been in a few PBEM of the Birthright game, and I am currently
> Gamemastering One, and as I see it there is something gone ary in the
minds of
> players. Name Anuire players who blab about peace... Peace this or peace
> that... blah blah blah... Anuire is in CIVIL WAR... battles are a way of
life.
> People trade provinces all the time as power grows and power falls.
> War is not seen as bad but as a tool. I never encountered this love of
peace
> in the tabletop games of Birthright. If you are going to play an Anuire
lord
> peace is not a way of life, Sans maybe Ilien. Also this compulsion to
take
> all in one war... what is this? You widdle away at your enemy, taking a
> province as they sue for peace. I know I am not the best BR player even in
the
> few PBEM I have been in, but I at least try to expell the demons of modern
> thought when I play the game. I also hate this us against them mentality.
As
> in PCs vs awnshegh... I think players form alliances too easily with these
> "all-knowing" I know everything attitudes and I really hate that.
>
> Anyone else have simular thoughts?
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