Elves of Aebrynis

[Osprey]

Dark Elves would also be interesting as Rhuobhes "awnsheglienspawn". The
Gorgon can manage to make human females give birth to small gorgons, the
Hydra has a small population of Hydrakin - why not Rhuobhe, whose skin
turned dark and whose eyes can´t stand the sunlight become the father of
a generation of dark elves?
bye
Michael

Possible, except that unlike humans and goblins, elves don't "spawn" very often. A reverse scenario is that one of Rhuobhe's awnsheglien disadvantages is that he has become sterile - barring him from directly creating progeny to compete with the humans who never seem to stop pumping out babies...cruel irony, accentuated existing situation, rubbing the elves' Achilles' Heel in Rhuobhe's face. Seems fitting.

[graham anderson]

Possible, except that unlike humans and goblins, elves don't "spawn" very often. A reverse scenario is that one of Rhuobhe's awnsheglien disadvantages is that he has become sterile - barring him from directly creating progeny to compete with the humans who never seem to stop pumping out babies...cruel irony, accentuated existing situation, rubbing the elves' Achilles' Heel in Rhuobhe's face. Seems fitting.

Possibly but a number of elves are ment to be related to him according to the books.

[Osprey]

Possibly but a number of elves are ment to be related to him according to the books.

But does this mean they are descended from Rhuobhe, or more distant kin (i.e., related through Rhuobhe's siblings, parents, cousins, etc.)? I'm not even certain to what books you're referring, as I dodn't remember any such references (but I've not read every last scrap of original BR material either).

[graham anderson]

But does this mean they are descended from Rhuobhe, or more distant kin (i.e., related through Rhuobhe's siblings, parents, cousins, etc.)? I'm not even certain to what books you're referring, as I dodn't remember any such references (but I've not read every last scrap of original BR material either).

The only one's I can remember is fhileraene the prince of tuarhievel (the ruins of empire) who is rhoube's great grandson, Although I suppose that could be from before daesmar. He also has a son in sword and crown but I know many people don't like that book. Without looking threw the books that is all I can remember.

[graham anderson]

The only one's I can remember is fhileraene the prince of tuarhievel (the ruins of empire) who is rhoube's great grandson, Although I suppose that could be from before daesmar. He also has a son in sword and crown but I know many people don't like that book. Without looking threw the books that is all I can remember.

It isn't before daesmar as the royal line has rhoube's azrai blood.

[geeman]

When it comes to elves existing on continents other than Cerilia I want to

throw out a couple of things:



First off, if we assume that the creation of the SW and the origin of elves

as being based upon that fundamental split then they can/should exist

everywhere on Aebrynis. After all, the SW split was a global

(trans-dimensional, really) event, so the split of the race can be equally

interpreted global. Elves should exist everywhere that the SW exists, and

since the SW exists everywhere pretty much so should the elves. I`d

suggest there are regions of closer or more remote "conjunction" between

the two worlds, and elves would be more or less likely in certain large

regions based upon that kind of thing, but on the whole the race should

probably exist throughout Aebrynis.



However (if one can excuse the circular use of terms here) Cerilian elves

should be unique to Cerilia. That is, the Sidhe as a race/culture/identity

is very much a sort of Celtic/Western European thing. The Sidhe should,

therefore, exist only in Cerilia or the immediate vicinity. (Since we`re

talking about continents here, by "immediate vicinity" we can mean a

thousand miles or so.)



If we are going to imagine an Oriental BR campaign setting and put elves in

it they should not be culturally identified with Cerilian elves. Rather, I

think it makes sense to portray them using more Asian themes. There`s been

some interesting stuff posted about animistic cultures and spiritism

theological thought in an OA campaign described in recent days, and I`d

suggest that instead of (or in addition to) portraying that material as

replacing the Cerilian gods and cultures, it should be incorporated into

them. That is, the BR-OA race of elves should have a few basic qualities

in common with Cerilian elves (immortality, access to true magic) but the

similarities can end there. What if OA elves were the animal/spirit based

creatures that have been described? The animal aspect of the elven

orientation to nature should be played up in place of the Charm/enchantment

aspect of Cerilian elves.



In a like manner, many aspects of other Cerilian elves can be reinterpreted

and given an Asian theme. They can still be fundamentally forest-dwelling

creatures, with a basically magical nature, but in other respects they

should be portrayed as an Asian race. Remove any Celtic or traditional D&D

elf features of the Sidhe (elven chainmail, longswords and bows) and

replace them with more Asian themes.



Gary

[irdeggman]

Another point - elves in the SW are mortal while in aebrynnis they are not.

Reverse applies to the faeries.

I would go with one type of BR elf. The race as described is pretty unchanging (something related to immortality, IMO) so adapting to various parts of the world would seem kind of contrary. Now if the focus is still on preserving nature then it would be possible, IMO. But I hesitate to give them the "normal" D&D adaptations of the subraces.

Again I'd echo the voices to avoid making BR too much an extension of the standard D&D worlds. Part of its appeal was its uniqueness. But - it's a personnal opinion.

I would, however go with the unchanging nature of the BR elven philosophy to maintain strong similarities between any subraces created. While the elves are mercurial in opinions and actions, they are unchanging and consistent in philosophy.

[Lee]

In a message dated 1/17/05 1:56:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,

brnetboard@BIRTHRIGHT.NET writes:



<< ------------ QUOTE ----------

Possible, except that unlike humans and goblins, elves don`t "spawn" very

often. A reverse scenario is that one of Rhuobhe`s awnsheglien disadvantages is

that he has become sterile - barring him from directly creating progeny to

compete with the humans who never seem to stop pumping out babies...cruel irony,

accentuated existing situation, rubbing the elves` Achilles` Heel in Rhuobhe`s

face. Seems fitting.

-----------------------------



Possibly but a number of elves are ment to be related to him according to

the books. >>



If his transformation took time to fully manifest, he may have been able

to father children before "going over to the Dark Side." It has been fifteen

hundred years since he first absorbed Azrai`s power.

"Sword and Crown" had a demon, IIRC, as his son. I think I would prefer

a single family or clan of his descendant(s), intermarried with some of his

most loyal adherents of the ghaillie sidhe, as dark elves, living under his

mountain. That seems more plausible than a whole race of drow-copies. These dark

elves would be the faithful leaders of any conspiracy he might hatch, whom he

grants some of his bloodline on occasion.

Darn, that sounds like a whole campaign for PCs to unravel that secret!

It`s Dragon magazine`s fault, the latest issue included a sidebar on "D3:

Vault of the Drow" which tweaked that memory!



Lee.

[Lee]

In a message dated 1/18/05 4:20:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,

lordrahvin@YAHOO.COM writes:



<< Elven immortality caused too many problems in my

campaign, so I did away with it in favor of a sort of

magical reincarnation that elves go through. The

"source holdings" that wizards shamefully exploit for

magical energy are actually the natural dwelling

places of elven ancestral spirits as they await to be

reborn. The more powerful source holdings contain

more plentiful and powerful spirits. >>



IMC, the most powerful or least-controlled/wildest sources manifest as dryads

or nymphs, or the like. They could become the "grandmothers" of elven

populations. I also tied elven reproduction to the provincial source level-- any

reduction reduced the chance of it. Human-elf intermarriages alter the formula

somehow, I haven`t really decided how. I`m still not sure if this is a

process fully understood by the elves yet, but as I am currently DMing for a party

with 4 elves and half-elves, it may well come up.



Lee.

[A_dark]

I used Drow for the elves of Tuar Annwn. The Shadow World&#39;s influence has turned them evil and dark...

Rhuobhe has another son menioned in the Hydra&#39;s description in Blood Enemies. She ate his son... Not very kind of her... bad hydra... baaaaad baaad hydra.