Brosengaen (and some Taeghan history)

[ConjurerDragon]

Angelbialaska schrieb:



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>The Tribe of Taegha

>As the twelve tribes of Andu fled from the Shadow, one of these tribes was the tribe of Taegha, a tribe known more for their seamanship than their courage. In those days none could rival the Taegha when it came to anything naval. It was also for this reason that when the tribes settled down in Cerilia, the Andu in what became Anuire, the tribe of Taegha settled down in the lands of the west coast, close to Aduria, as the naval base of operations against enemies coming from Aduria.

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A problem I would see is that before Deismaar there are several partys

who are superior sailors. The Brecht sail around half the continent to

Brechtür. The Rjuven also sail northward. The Masetians are the most

renowned sailors before Deismaar. Even the Basarji come from Djapar by

sea as accomplished seafarers. Perhaps you could make that statement

that the Taegha were the best sailors "of the Andu"?



>In the centuries that followed, the Dukes of Taeghas developed their lands and cultivated new lands. The expansion stopped in the North at the Elfwash river and later in the south the duchy stretched all the way down to Bindier. But like Alaeron Brosen, the dukes that followed had inherited the hunger for gold and they ordered for more and more expansion of their guilds. The Seamist Mountains, despite being filled with monsters, was stripmined for resources, the forests that covered the provinces that are making up the northern Taeghas, Bhaine, Bayside and Portage was cut to lumber and exported or made into merchantships.

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The seamist mountains are mentioned in the novel about the Anuirean

civil war (Iron Throne?). Michael Roeles army dropped out of the

Shadowworld in these mountains and his army fought one tribe of

Stoncecrown Ogres there who attacked an ARMY to defend their territorry.

Mining in these mountains before without an army sounds suicidal and

would likely mean a very high deathtoll among miners.



Something I miss is the crucial position of Brosengae regarding the ONLY

pass through the mountains passable by an army south of Rhuobhe.

bye

Michael...

[Lee]

In a message dated 1/15/05 3:38:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,

brnetboard@BIRTHRIGHT.NET writes:



<< As for inconsistency this is just one of many, and not one of the worst I

think. Indeed, the PS of Roesone doesn`t really mention twelve Houses. It only

says that the Deretha was the Fifth House (but not of how many) and that Diem

was a prince of the Deretha and was rewarded with the Duch of Diemed (which

was the 5th of 12).



So while it could be argued there were 12 Houses, it really isn`t too

clearly stated in the PS of Roesone. >>



It could easily be that the Emperor decided twelve Dukes was a nice round (or

mystical) number for divvying up the Empire.



Lee.

[Green Knight]

Under no circumstances does it seem plausible to me that there were

exactly 12 political entities that migrated to Cerilia during the Flight

from Shadow, then the very same 12 entities fought the Shadow 500 years

later, and then mysteriously the same 12 entities ended up with one

realm each under Roele...



I think you can get away with a lot in fantasy world design - but this

is not suspension of disbelief to me...anything is preferable, I`d even

go with the Emperor Roele just liking the number 12 and investing the 12

first scions he could find.



B



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In a message dated 1/15/05 3:38:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,

brnetboard@BIRTHRIGHT.NET writes:



<< As for inconsistency this is just one of many, and not one of the

worst I

think. Indeed, the PS of Roesone doesn`t really mention twelve Houses.

It only

says that the Deretha was the Fifth House (but not of how many) and that

Diem

was a prince of the Deretha and was rewarded with the Duch of Diemed

(which

was the 5th of 12).



So while it could be argued there were 12 Houses, it really isn`t too

clearly stated in the PS of Roesone. >>



It could easily be that the Emperor decided twelve Dukes was a nice

round (or

mystical) number for divvying up the Empire.



Lee.



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[The incredible, edible Phil]

The number 12 holds significance for it was the number of apostles that followed Jesus. In a way one could see Roele as a religious figure (in fact I would think the Church of Haelyn would), with the 12 dukes as his closest allies/friends that helped him carve out the greatest Empire and achievement known to Cerilia.

[Lee]

In a message dated 1/17/05 10:58:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,

brnetboard@BIRTHRIGHT.NET writes:



<< The incredible, edible Phil wrote:

The number 12 holds significance for it was the number of apostles that

followed Jesus. In a way one could see Roele as a religious figure (in fact I

would think the Church of Haelyn would), with the 12 dukes as his closest

allies/friends that helped him carve out the greatest Empire and achievement known

to Cerilia. >>



It goes beyond that-- "magic numbers" like 3, 7, 12, and 40 appear

continually in all kind of religious and non-religious myths, legends and so on.



Lee.

[Fearless_Leader]

Originally posted by Raesene Andu@Jan 15 2005, 01:44 AM
And for those who were wondering.


Duireina = Osoerde

Actually, the Duriena became Taeghas according to those previous discussions... not Osoerde.

[Angelbialaska]

Originally posted by Raesene Andu@Jan 15 2005, 10:44 AM
And for those who were wondering.

Anwe = Avanil
Gehaiste = Ghieste
Bheallach = Dhalaene
Boru = Boeruine
Duireina = Osoerde
Brosen = Taeghas
Mhora = Mhoried
Elin = Elinie
Elamie = Alamie
Carel = Cariele
Deretha = Diemed
Aeren = Aerenwe

What is the reason to promote Ghieste to one of the duchies?

According to Book of Priestcraft (p. 41) the first church of Cuieracien established in the sixth century after Deismarr in Rhumannen in the Barony of Ghieste.

[Raesene Andu]

Ghieste was always one of the original 12 duchies. If the BoP mentions a barony of Ghieste, then it is wrong.

[Angelbialaska]

Where is it mentioned that Ghieste was one of the original duchies? We just know that there was a duchy within the area of Ghoere, but that could as easily be Bhalaene as Ghieste.

And why do everybody want 2 duchies in Ghoere? Ruins of Empire states that it was one and it even names the remaining 11 duchies. Does this mean that there was 13 duchies?

[Raesene Andu]

There were two duchies within the borders of Ghoere, Ghieste and Bhalaene. Ghoere was formed from both, which is what makes it such a powerful realm.