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  1. #1
    Pieter Sleijpen
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    Okay - here are my rules, if I`

    Jim Cooper wrote:

    > Am I to take charge on only 5% of the consensus of this list? I will be
    > very uncomfortable taking on this role as administrator if I know that
    > the other 95% just don't give a damn about what I do with this list.

    It is not as if there any other canidates, now are there? Because in
    this case you could concider "no vote" as a yes. That would at least be
    a lot more optimistic then your view :-)

    Anyway, I did send a vote for you. It never arrived and after that I
    more or less forget about it. If you keep things running as has been
    done before, you will be doing a great job.

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    Okay - here are my rules, if I`

    At 01:49 AM 5/28/99 -0700, you wrote:
    >
    >8) Personal notes should be kept to a minimum. Its your personal
    >business, and therefore a whole bunch of strangers don't need to know.
    >However, an exception to this rule is the praise of a particularly nice
    >contribution to the list, and the administrator encourages everyone to
    >be nice to others and show your appreciation to those who help you
    >improve your BR RPG game. Especially to those who do NOT contribute
    >regularly to this list, show your gratitude to those who help make your
    >BR experience better. Regular contributors are working hard to enrich
    >this campaign milieu and deserve a pat on the back for their efforts.
    >YOU like to be praised, and so do your fellow cyber-citizens. Even if
    >you don't contibute anything else, at least do this every once in awhile
    >(say, at least, bi-annually). How hard can it be to take 30 seconds out
    >of your life in order to say 'thank-you' to someone who most probably
    >saved YOU _hours_ of your time with their post? If you can't do even
    >this, the administrator wonders why you wish to participate in a forum
    >such as this - this is a DISCUSSION mailing list after all ...
    >contributors find the time, and they are just as busy as you are. The
    >administrator feels particularly passionate about this rule, and rest
    >assured the administrator will be prowling the membership periodically
    >(bi-annually) to see who is being active on this list. Members the
    >administrator deems to be 'non-active' will be treated like they way
    >they act - contribute nothing at all, get nothing at all in return.
    >This translates into losing your membership in this forum. Its that
    >simple, and don't think you deserve any better if you are a non-active
    >member. If all you want to do is read, get the digest mode of this
    >forum.
    >

    I also feel rather strong about this. I don't really see the problem with
    lots of lurkers on this list, it is the same with lots of other lists too
    and they don't do any harm. So the idea of removing lurkers after half a
    year I find strange.
    There are several reasons for this, first some people do not "dare" to post
    on this list either because of language barriers or age or similar. After
    all the relative high quality of the posts on this list might seem
    intimidating at first. Some have mentioned that they don't have time to
    post messages, but would like to keep the option open. Something I also
    understand completely.

    When it comes to the part with people not voting, I agree with you that
    it's weird that only 5% of the listsubscribers are voicing their opinion,
    but I beleive it is just the way things are...(I sure would feel better if
    the voting percent in Norway was 99% not 70%....but it's life...).

    So even though I beleive you would make a nice Admin if you persist on
    kicking lurkers I will vote for Adam Theo instead.....

    A completely different matter is could someone in the USA please volounteer
    as a collector of the 70$ for the birthright.net domain name ?
    That way we can use all the good ideas for the webpage ?

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  3. #3
    Even Sørgjerd
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    Okay - here are my rules, if I`

    Greetings from to all from a lurker in the shadows!

    Jim Cooper wrote:

    > The administrator feels particularly passionate about this rule, and rest
    > assured the administrator will be prowling the membership periodically
    > (bi-annually) to see who is being active on this list. Members the
    > administrator deems to be 'non-active' will be treated like they way
    > they act - contribute nothing at all, get nothing at all in return.
    > This translates into losing your membership in this forum. Its that
    > simple, and don't think you deserve any better if you are a non-active
    > member. If all you want to do is read, get the digest mode of this
    > forum.

    As a long time lurker on this list, I have seen this list in action for
    quite a while now. You are entirely right that there is only a few people that
    contribute to this list regularly, but drawing the conclusion that the rest are
    not interested in the game would be entirely wrong. The reason why people
    choose to not participate actively in the discussions that arise on this list
    are many. Some do not have time and others do not have the confidence it
    requires, but this is not our business. One of the main thoughts behind the
    Net, is that it should be open for everybody. As long as this list is on a
    non-personal topic, it should be open to all that are interested.

    The greatest danger that arises from excluding list members, is the
    possibility of a loss in interest in the game. We have to face the fact that
    Birthright have gone out of production, and no longer receives the promotion
    other games enjoy. As with other games that have been stopped, they almost
    excusively excist on the Net. If we start to hold people outside of the
    comunity, I am afraid that the interest in the game will decrease even more. It
    is important that we remember that inactive members can be just as dedicated to
    the game as the active ones.

    As a teacher I too face the problem of people not taking an active part in
    the discussions. This can be result of many reasons, but i can not judge them
    for that. It is not an option for me to throw them out, not that i want to
    either. My responsibility i to activate and stimulate them, so they too can be
    an active member of forum. This is just as much a challenge for this list as it
    is for me. People should feel encouraged to become more active,but one their
    own terms and in their own pace. This is difficult if you live with the fear of
    beeing excluded if they do not live up to the expectations.

    About whom should become list administrator. I do not know what it takes to
    be a good admin, but interest i usually more than enough to keep things
    running, and Jim seems like a great guy with enough of that. Unfourtenately I
    can not support him if it meens that the majority of this list becomes
    excluded. If he is to change his mind, my vote goes to him.
    Finally I have to say that I like what this list have produced, and honors
    to those that have come up with all the good ideas. Keep up the good work.

    Even, the Lurker
    Include, not exclude!!!!
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  4. #4
    Craig Greeson
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    Okay - here are my rules, if I`

    Darren and anyone else interested (I doubt there are many),
    A few points regarding a topic that, prior to seeing your rules, I did not
    much care about.

    1- The Administrator apparently needs to maintain some technical aspects of
    the list, which I know absolutely nothing about. I appreciate the fact you
    (and possibly others) are willing to do this. Sounds like a thankless job.

    2- I think you are placing too much importance on the Administrator's
    position beyond the "maintenance" issue. The fact few people are
    responding indicates few people care about the list Admin. (S)He should be
    largely invisible, IMO. This list has, for the most part, operated just
    fine since Sepsis left our midst. I can think of 1 topic a couple of
    months back that should have been squashed by the Admin., but for the most
    part people are quite well behaved. I do believe you participated in an
    "Annual Flame-fest" topic (I could be all wet here - I'm only citing it as
    an example) that I personally found annoying and totally off topic, and you
    occasionally have these "inside joke" posts with Morg, among others.
    Should we have you thrown off the list if you are occasionally off topic?
    I don't think so. You also post a lot of good things, but even if you
    didn't, is it really that big of a deal?

    3- I assumed from your first post on the topic that you were kidding about
    removing non-posters from the list. Now, however, I see that was
    incorrect, even though you seem to be saying that you WERE actually
    joking. Why would you have a rule saying someone who didn't post
    bi-annually would be removed from the list? That, IMO, is wrong. What
    about people who have only a limited grasp of English but love the BR
    world? What about people who are painfully shy? Why would you want to
    scare them off up front with this kind of rule? If someone likes BR and
    wants to read things about it, but doesn't have anything in particualar
    they want to say, what's the big deal? It's great to encourage others to
    participate, but don't try to force it on them. They'll only go away, and
    may end up liking BR less as a result.

    In short, I do not doubt for a moment you have only the very best
    intentions. You've always seemed like a nice and reasonable person.
    However, you've alienated me on this particular topic. I don't want the
    list Administrator to be someone who thinks it should be a particularly
    "visible" position. For that matter, I don't want to ever again feel
    strongly enough about something the Administrator says that I end up being
    late for work in writing a reply. Gotta go.

    Regards
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  5. #5
    Christopher Kira
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    Okay - here are my rules, if I`

    I don't object to your being admin, and I did voice my opinion.

    The problem is (and I asked a few other members), some people's mail to the
    list has gotten "waylayed". I sent two posts to the list on the admin
    situation, and I haven't seen a single one pop up. And I got a pile of mail
    from the list in a fairly short period of time... I know it's not my mail
    server, so....

    Anyways, rather than reiterate all the other posts, I'll say that I think
    you can do a good job, and I'm sorry if it seems like everyone jumped on ya.
    Think of it as defending the thing that we love :)

    CK
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  6. #6
    Mathieu Roy
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    Okay - here are my rules, if I`

    Sindre Berg wrote:

    > I also feel rather strong about this. I don't really see the problem with
    > lots of lurkers on this list, it is the same with lots of other lists too
    > and they don't do any harm. So the idea of removing lurkers after half a
    > year I find strange.

    Neither do I. I personally mostly lurk, in good part because I don't have an
    active BR campaign at the moment (PBeM excepted). I presume there are many,
    many lurkers who are in the same position -- but they may well turn into active
    posters once they do. Furthermore, don't forget that not all list activity
    occurs on the list. A visible lurker might be commenting directly to the
    authors of those posts he enjoys or dislikes. He is making a valuable
    contribution, but not one that shows up on the mailing list, and therefore, he
    would end up being "disintegrated".

    Darren's rules strike me as pretty heavyhanded, especially for a list that has
    been running without an active administrator for quite some time, and with
    minimal problems. Those threads that have gotten out of hand (sheepish smile)
    have ended as soon as someone (and not an admin) pointed out that they were
    excessive. And lurkers are contributing -- they're contributing the audience.

    Mathieu


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  7. #7
    David Sean Brown
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    Okay - here are my rules, if I`

    > > Am I to take charge on only 5% of the consensus of this list? I will be
    > > very uncomfortable taking on this role as administrator if I know that
    > > the other 95% just don't give a damn about what I do with this list.

    AActually, as there were no other candidates, and we HAD to have a
    moderator/administrator or lose the list, I didn't see the need to post my
    support...not that I don't agree that Jim would do a good job, and I'm
    happy to have him do it.

    Sean

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  8. #8
    JNeighb934@aol.co
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    Okay - here are my rules, if I`

    In a message dated 05/28/99 2:59:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cobos@saers.com
    writes:

    > A completely different matter is could someone in the USA please volounteer
    > as a collector of the 70$ for the birthright.net domain name ?
    > That way we can use all the good ideas for the webpage ?
    >
    > Sindre

    I have already volunteered for that duty, if you remember. Last week or so
    we discussed the idea with each other that after I collected the 70 bucks,
    you would instruct me on how to register a domain name.
    However, the pathetic truth of it is, after a full week since my request for
    donations and after all the seeming listmember support for a central web
    page, I have received only four respones pledging a donation. I am only
    asking a measly $5 from 13 people (I'll gladly kick in the last 5 dollars) to
    get this project rolling. If there are truly 300 people subscibed to this
    list and we can't even raise $70 for a very worthwhile project that would be
    beneficial to all, well, you figure it out. Do you guys really want to
    improve the quality of the Birthright setting or not, because we're the only
    ones who can do it. TSR is not going to revive Birthright, it's up to us to
    keep providing fresh quality material for the setting, and our own central
    web site (without a bunch of advertisements cluttering it up) would be a
    great step in this direction. It seemed like there was so much support for
    this idea just a few weeks ago. Was it all just talk? To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com
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  9. #9
    Tommy Ashton II
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    Okay - here are my rules, if I`

    JNeighb934@AOL.COM wrote:
    >
    > In a message dated 05/28/99 2:59:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cobos@saers.com
    > writes:
    >
    > > A completely different matter is could someone in the USA please volounteer
    > > as a collector of the 70$ for the birthright.net domain name ?
    > > That way we can use all the good ideas for the webpage ?
    > >
    > > Sindre
    >
    > I have already volunteered for that duty, if you remember. Last week or so
    > we discussed the idea with each other that after I collected the 70 bucks,
    > you would instruct me on how to register a domain name.
    > However, the pathetic truth of it is, after a full week since my request for
    > donations and after all the seeming listmember support for a central web
    > page, I have received only four respones pledging a donation. I am only
    > asking a measly $5 from 13 people (I'll gladly kick in the last 5 dollars) to
    > get this project rolling. If there are truly 300 people subscibed to this
    > list and we can't even raise $70 for a very worthwhile project that would be
    > beneficial to all, well, you figure it out. Do you guys really want to
    > improve the quality of the Birthright setting or not, because we're the only
    > ones who can do it. TSR is not going to revive Birthright, it's up to us to
    > keep providing fresh quality material for the setting, and our own central
    > web site (without a bunch of advertisements cluttering it up) would be a
    > great step in this direction. It seemed like there was so much support for
    > this idea just a few weeks ago. Was it all just talk?
    > ************************************************** *************************
    > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com
    > with the line 'unsubscribe birthright' as the body of the message.
    okay throw me in for 5.To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com
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  10. #10
    Ben
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    Okay - here are my rules, if I`

    > I have already volunteered for that duty, if you remember. Last week or
    so
    > we discussed the idea with each other that after I collected the 70 bucks,
    > you would instruct me on how to register a domain name.
    > However, the pathetic truth of it is, after a full week since my request
    for
    > donations and after all the seeming listmember support for a central web
    > page, I have received only four respones pledging a donation. I am only
    > asking a measly $5 from 13 people (I'll gladly kick in the last 5 dollars)
    to
    > get this project rolling. If there are truly 300 people subscibed to this
    > list and we can't even raise $70 for a very worthwhile project that would
    be
    > beneficial to all, well, you figure it out. Do you guys really want to
    > improve the quality of the Birthright setting or not, because we're the
    only
    > ones who can do it. TSR is not going to revive Birthright, it's up to us
    to
    > keep providing fresh quality material for the setting, and our own central
    > web site (without a bunch of advertisements cluttering it up) would be a
    > great step in this direction. It seemed like there was so much support
    for
    > this idea just a few weeks ago. Was it all just talk?

    I'll throw in five bucks...

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