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    Pieter Sleijpen
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    Olesens wrote:
    >
    > There is a contradition concerning Roele's death. Ruins of Empire (or
    > the Atlas of Cerilia, I forget) says that the foolish young Michale
    > Roele slipped into the Gorgon's Citadel along in an attempt to slay the
    > Gorgon. It gives it a feeling of Michael going to the Gorgon on a
    > pointless crusade type thing. The Iron Throne by Simon Hawke (and my
    > favorite BR book) says that Roele went after the Gorgon with the
    > Empire's largest army in ages in an attempt to avenge the killing of his
    > wife by one of the Gorgon's agents. The armies of good and evil faced
    > off and the two leaders met in the battle. The Gorgon was going to kill
    > Roele but Roele grounded his power before the heart pircing blow
    > (literalty, of course). I like the Iron Throne's version (and I won't
    > change) but which one is fact? If Ed or Carrie is reading this: This
    > isn't a big secret like Azrai's actual status. I mean it can't be that
    > hard for the world to know if Roele went after the Gorgon with an army
    > or he just disappreared (off to the Gorgon).
    >

    There are several more errors in the Atlas, or at least other official
    material differs from it. Remember that the atlas was written by the
    Chaimberlain and seems to be written from his point of view (his idea's
    on the other cultures shows that very clearly). I think that story might
    have well turned into myth by now, we are talking about 551 years
    afterall. All know what the years can do to events :-) I would say, that
    both stories might be wrong if you even have a better idea and
    believebility would not suffer under it.

    Pieter Sleijpen

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    Randall W. Porter@6550
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    - ----- Begin Included Message -----
    There is a contradition concerning Roele's death. Ruins of Empire (or
    the Atlas of Cerilia, I forget) says that the foolish young Michale
    Roele slipped into the Gorgon's Citadel along in an attempt to slay the
    Gorgon. It gives it a feeling of Michael going to the Gorgon on a
    pointless crusade type thing. The Iron Throne by Simon Hawke (and my
    favorite BR book) says that Roele went after the Gorgon with the
    Empire's largest army in ages in an attempt to avenge the killing of his
    wife by one of the Gorgon's agents. The armies of good and evil faced
    off and the two leaders met in the battle. The Gorgon was going to kill
    Roele but Roele grounded his power before the heart pircing blow
    (literalty, of course). I like the Iron Throne's version (and I won't
    change) but which one is fact? If Ed or Carrie is reading this: This
    isn't a big secret like Azrai's actual status. I mean it can't be that
    hard for the world to know if Roele went after the Gorgon with an army
    or he just disappreared (off to the Gorgon).

    - ----- End Included Message -----

    The info from the Atlas was the first available. This is why I used to call him M(ental) Roele. What a fool! Going up against the Gorgon w/o much of a reason given. An extreme failure of Roele's brain- or that of his advisors.

    The Iron Throne paints a much more detailed and believable picture. I'd go with that.

    Randax

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    (Carrie! Ed! Help!) The Truth o

    > The info from the Atlas was the first available. This is why I used to call him M(ental) Roele. What a fool! Going up against the Gorgon w/o much of a reason given. An extreme failure of Roele's brain- or that of his advisors.
    > The Iron Throne paints a much more detailed and believable picture. I'd go with that.

    That does leave me with one question: why does Caliedhe Dosiere portray
    Michael Roele as a fool? I mean, the Atlas of Cerilia was written by the
    Chamberlain, after all...

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    Randall W. Porter@6550
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    - ----- Begin Included Message -----
    > The info from the Atlas was the first available. This is why I used to call him M(ental) Roele. What a fool! Going up against the Gorgon w/o much of a reason given. An extreme failure of Roele's brain- or that of his advisors.
    > The Iron Throne paints a much more detailed and believable picture. I'd go with that.

    That does leave me with one question: why does Caliedhe Dosiere portray
    Michael Roele as a fool? I mean, the Atlas of Cerilia was written by the
    Chamberlain, after all...

    - ----- End Included Message -----

    Perhaps he wanted to absolve his line (the Dosieres) of blame; pushing the cause of the disaster off onto a headstrong emperor- which Michael was.

    Randax

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    Olesens
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    Randall W. Porter@6550 wrote:

    > ----- Begin Included Message -----
    > > The info from the Atlas was the first available. This is why I used to call him M(ental) Roele. What a fool! Going up against the Gorgon w/o much of a reason given. An extreme failure of Roele's brain- or that of his advisors.
    > > The Iron Throne paints a much more detailed and believable picture. I'd go with that.
    >
    > That does leave me with one question: why does Caliedhe Dosiere portray
    > Michael Roele as a fool? I mean, the Atlas of Cerilia was written by the
    > Chamberlain, after all...
    >
    > ----- End Included Message -----
    >
    > Perhaps he wanted to absolve his line (the Dosieres) of blame; pushing the cause of the disaster off onto a headstrong emperor- which Michael was.

    Possibly, but that doesn't sound like a Dosierey thing to do. I would imagine that the Chaimberlains would tell the story from as positive a point of view as possible but still on the truth. "Michael rallied the largest army in
    centuries, on that could match the Gorgon's army and went to defeat evil. Michael knew he couldn't defeat the Gorgon in combat but without an army the Gorgon would be little threat to Anuire." somthing like that is what I'd image
    Dosiere saying.

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    CBebris@aol.co
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    Andrew,

    Generally speaking, if there's a contradiction between information found in
    BR game products versus something that appears in the BR novels, the game
    products take precedent. Novelists are allowed some measure of poetic license
    that doesn't necessarily translate into game mechanics. Further, most game
    products are written (in whole or in part) in an objective third-person
    voice, whereas events in the novels are usually filtered through characters'
    points of view and are therefore subjective.

    In the case of Roele's death, however, both of your sources are subjective:
    Caliedhe Dosiere "wrote" the Atlas, while his ancestor Aedan is the primary
    point-of-view character in The Iron Throne. As with conflicting accounts of
    real-world history, some interpretation is called for. One could argue that
    Aedan was closer to events so he has a better understanding of what
    transpired. But one could also argue that Caliedhe, writing from a distance,
    possesses the broader perspective that only time can grant. And both
    characters could be slanting (consciously or unconsciously) their accounts
    for political reasons of their own.

    I myself put more faith in the Atlas because it was written by Rich Baker and
    Colin McComb, and therefore (I believe) better reflects the world as its
    creators envisioned it. But if one version fits your campaign better than the
    other, you may feel perfectly correct in using whichever version you prefer.

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