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    CBebris@aol.co
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    Q: Tarazin the Grey

    >Could someone please enlighten me into what this Chronicle of Cerilia is ?

    The Chronicle is an article Ed Stark and I wrote for Dragon Magazine #241. It
    includes the most up-to-date official timeline in existence and some
    legends/adventure nuggets.

    For those of you who have copies--is it just me, or does one of the jousters
    in the illustration have no arms???

    Carrie Bebris

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    DKEvermore@aol.co
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    Q: Tarazin the Grey

    In a message dated 4/28/99 11:01:06 AM Central Daylight Time,
    vander+@pitt.edu writes:

    > A
    > dragon should decimate province levels when it wakes, ravenous from a long
    > sleep. It should be capable of destroying or routing whole army units on
    > the field of battle. It should be capable of instilling fear into the
    > heart of AWNSEGHLEIN, even the Gorgon and the Raven and the Serpent.
    >
    > Mark VanderMeulen
    > vander+@pitt.edu

    I agree, except that I'm not convinced the Gorgon would be afraid. According
    to legend (and only legend--it might be different in your campaign), the
    Gorgon destroyed a dragon at Kal-Saitharak and took its residence for his
    own. With his magic and weapons, the Gorgon can go toe-to-toe with a dragon
    and win every time.

    The Raven has invulnerability. So although he can be defeated by a dragon
    (supposedly because much of the Raven's magical power is tied to the Shadow
    World), it's likely that he'd rise again.

    The Serpent, I think, would make so much dragon food.

    Just my thoughts,
    Dustin K Evermore

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    Mark A Vandermeulen
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    Q: Tarazin the Grey

    On Wed, 28 Apr 1999 DKEvermore@aol.com wrote:

    > I agree, except that I'm not convinced the Gorgon would be afraid. According
    > to legend (and only legend--it might be different in your campaign), the
    > Gorgon destroyed a dragon at Kal-Saitharak and took its residence for his
    > own. With his magic and weapons, the Gorgon can go toe-to-toe with a dragon
    > and win every time.

    OK, I'll give you that the Gorgon might be able to stand his own against a
    dragon and give as well as he gets. I don't think he might be expected to
    win EVERY time, esp. if the dragon had time to prepair appropriately, as
    opposed to being caught by surprize, which is what I imagine happened to
    Kal-Saitharak. I DON'T think that the reason that there aren't many
    dragons in Cerilia is because they're all scared of the Gorgon.

    I've always thought that one of the keys to restoring the Anuirean Empire
    (if that were to occur) is that the Restorer would have to have a dragon
    who owes him a favor, to fall upon the Gorgon eventually when the time is
    right. That's about all I figure would have a decent chance of taking care
    of ole rock-butt.

    Mark VanderMeulen
    vander+@pitt.edu

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    DKEvermore@aol.com wrote:

    > In a message dated 4/28/99 11:01:06 AM Central Daylight Time,
    > vander+@pitt.edu writes:
    >
    > > A
    > > dragon should decimate province levels when it wakes, ravenous from a long
    > > sleep. It should be capable of destroying or routing whole army units on
    > > the field of battle. It should be capable of instilling fear into the
    > > heart of AWNSEGHLEIN, even the Gorgon and the Raven and the Serpent.
    > >
    > > Mark VanderMeulen
    > > vander+@pitt.edu
    >
    > I agree, except that I'm not convinced the Gorgon would be afraid. According
    > to legend (and only legend--it might be different in your campaign), the
    > Gorgon destroyed a dragon at Kal-Saitharak and took its residence for his
    > own. With his magic and weapons, the Gorgon can go toe-to-toe with a dragon
    > and win every time.
    >
    > The Raven has invulnerability. So although he can be defeated by a dragon
    > (supposedly because much of the Raven's magical power is tied to the Shadow
    > World), it's likely that he'd rise again.
    >
    > The Serpent, I think, would make so much dragon food.
    >
    > Just my thoughts,
    > Dustin K Evermore
    > ************************************************** *************************
    > > In my campaign I've sort of hinted to the players that there are about only 6-7
    dragons left in the entire continent, and I play them all as "at least" great
    wyrm.
    Not to mention that they will all have a high wizard level. After all they are
    unique...
    They would probably be more or less indestructible except by time...
    I am looking forward to let the players discover the dragon in the Five Peaks
    when they finally get as far north there... :)) mhuauuaua...

    Sindre

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    David Sean Brown
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    Q: Tarazin the Grey

    Just had to look...and by gosh you're right...wierd or what!

    Sean


    > For those of you who have copies--is it just me, or does one of the jousters
    > in the illustration have no arms???
    >
    > Carrie Bebris
    > ************************************************** *************************
    > > 'unsubscribe birthright' as the body of the message.
    >

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    Mark A Vandermeulen wrote:

    > OK, I'll give you that the Gorgon might be able to stand his own against a
    > dragon and give as well as he gets. I don't think he might be expected to
    > win EVERY time, esp. if the dragon had time to prepair appropriately, as
    > opposed to being caught by surprize, which is what I imagine happened to
    > Kal-Saitharak. I DON'T think that the reason that there aren't many
    > dragons in Cerilia is because they're all scared of the Gorgon.

    Say, this reminds me, does anyone know the status of the "Gorgon Crown' Secrets
    book that was being built on 'Peter "The Dragon" Hodge's (I hope I got that
    right... doin' it from memory) site is???

    Of all regions in cerilia, I expected this one to be detailed a hundred times over
    already....

    I sure would like a peek.....

    Morg

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    DKEvermore@aol.co
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    Q: Tarazin the Grey

    In a message dated 4/28/99 2:38:43 PM Central Daylight Time, vander+@pitt.edu
    writes:

    > OK, I'll give you that the Gorgon might be able to stand his own against a
    > dragon and give as well as he gets. I don't think he might be expected to
    > win EVERY time, esp. if the dragon had time to prepair appropriately, as
    > opposed to being caught by surprize, which is what I imagine happened to
    > Kal-Saitharak. I DON'T think that the reason that there aren't many
    > dragons in Cerilia is because they're all scared of the Gorgon.
    >
    I never claimed dragons were afraid of the Gorgon. I specifically stated the
    other way around. It would be rediculous to blame the low population of
    dragons on the Gorgon's presence.

    - -DKE

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    Q: Tarazin the Grey

    In a message dated 4/28/99 2:49:52 PM Central Daylight Time, cobos@saers.com
    writes:

    > They would probably be more or less indestructible except by time...
    > I am looking forward to let the players discover the dragon in the Five
    > Peaks
    > when they finally get as far north there... :)) mhuauuaua...
    >
    > Sindre
    >
    The players in my campaign (Cwmb Bheinn centered) have decided to go and have
    a word with Vore Lekiniskiy (Old Master Fireworm) because he built up a
    source holding in a province of theirs. They conveniently ignored the fact
    that the PCs only had a source 0 there and were therefore not using the magic
    there.

    The queen (PC) thought it might be a tad risky, though so she invested the
    HEAD of the Gheallie Sidhe!! with control of the kingdom, just in case. The
    Ghaellie commander (NPC) humbly suggested it--for the well-being of the
    kingdom of course.

    Man, I love it when the PCs gullibly take any suggestion from an NPC and
    don't think it through. ]:>

    - -DKE

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    Q: Tarazin the Grey

    I can wait for the crown if it means I get seneschal 2.0 sooner! Go
    Pete!



    - ----- Original Message -----
    From: Peter Hodge
    To:
    Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 6:58 PM
    Subject: RE: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Q: Tarazin the Grey


    > I'll reply to this one :)
    >
    > The Gorgon's Crown project has indeed started but is slow going thanks to
    > Seneschal 2.0 taking up every spare second I get :).
    >
    > Peter "Dragon" Hodge
    > E-mail: dragon@uq.net.au
    > Website: Dragon's Lair (
    > www.uq.net.au/~zzphodge )
    > ICQ: 2863795
    >

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    Q: Tarazin the Grey

    Sindre Cools Berg wrote:

    > In my campaign I've sort of hinted to the players that there are about only 6-7
    > dragons left in the entire continent, and I play them all as "at least" great
    > wyrm.
    > Not to mention that they will all have a high wizard level. After all they are
    > unique...
    > They would probably be more or less indestructible except by time...
    > I am looking forward to let the players discover the dragon in the Five Peaks
    > when they finally get as far north there... :)) mhuauuaua...

    Interesting.

    Another thing to remember is that, though there are only a few dragons on Cerilia,
    it is a rather small continent, and one that is not too far from other significant
    land masses. Just us other creatures migrate, so might dragons. A fiery beast
    might intrude from Aduria, an icy one from beyond the Thaelasian....

    To give my own answers to the questions I posed:

    #1: I think the biological reason there are fewer dragons is that dragons
    themselves are a dying race. (At least, the Cerilian versions are.) They breed so
    seldom and take so long to reach the age of maturation that they just can't compete
    in a biological way with other creatures that are more successful like elves,
    dwarves, goblins and (most significantly) with humans. The decline of the elves is
    often attributed to incursions by humans. Why not the same influence on dragons?
    This need not be the kind of direct competition that most people imagine in fantasy
    games, but the more day-to-day kind of competition for resources, land, food, etc.
    that is the true pattern of migratory influences we so often like to ignore.

    #2: I think from a thematic standpoint, dragons are rather superfolous in BR. I
    mean, we already have people running around with the blood of the gods in them.
    Those spawn of Azrai can become awnsheghlien, which are essentially iconic
    monsters; THE Serpent, THE Gorgon, THE Raven. Dragons are usually the biggest,
    meanest opponents available. Having a lot of them in BR would lessen the
    significance of the awnsheghlien and hence the setting itself.

    It would also conflict with the "low-level" character of the game. In BR, just
    about anyone coule become a regent. 1st level characters can have thousands, even
    hundreds of thousands of people under their authority. That's all well and good,
    but toss a dragon at them and good King Nobody the First will by wyrm food before
    he can scream "Guards!" Dragons and low-level campaigns don't mix. They must,
    therefore, become aloof, rare and distant. So powerful that they are godlike both
    in power and in attitude.

    Gary

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