holding/province level modifier

[Olesens]

JNeighb934@aol.com wrote:

> In an action such as Rule, any regent with a similar holding in the province
> or the province ruler can support or oppose the Rule attempt by subtracting
> or adding, respectively, his holding or province level to the action success
> roll. My players have argued that if a regent is ruling up, say, a guild
> level 3 to a level 4, then that regent should be able to use his existing
> level 3 guild as a positive modifier to his action roll. I ruled against
> this, stating that only other regents could affect the roll in that way; the
> Ruling (as in the domain action) regent could not use his current holding or
> province level to affect the roll. Even though I understand my players'
> reasoning for believing a regent should be able to use his current
> holding/province level as a positive modifier, I disallowed it because I feel
> it makes it too easy for the character to Rule up and is a loophole to save
> RP. IMO, just being able to rule up in the first place is indicative enough
> of the regent's influence in the province without the added benefit of a
> freebie and automatic positive modifier.
> How do some of you other DMs out there rule on this?

Well I've seen one version where rule is 20+ and you can use the holding as a
positive modifier. IMC, I put out that loophole with a DM Decree Action: "Tough
luck, that doesn't work." I also ruled that only law holdings and similar
holding types may oppose or support a rule action (It keeps province rulers from
getting to use thier province level). When ruling provinces I use the target
level as a negative modifier to the 10+. In addition I use a chart of modifiers
for the action. The chart is based on how filled the guild/temple/law slots are,
how safe the province location is, etc. If you want it I can email you the HTML
file.

[Memnoch]

You were correct on your ruling for the following reason:

A holding that is subject to the Rule action cannot be used to modify it's
own action. Thus, a level 3 province being ruled up to a level 4 province
with a success number of 14+ cannot be used to bring that success number
back down to 11+.

Now, if a thief were ruling a guild holding from 3 to 4 in a province owned
by a fighter that was level 6, could have his success number modified, up or
down by the fighter by 6 points. Thus, if the fighter were opposing the
rule action, the resulting success number for the guild being ruled would be
20+. If the fighter were supporting the action, the ultimate success number
would be 8+

Hope this helps.

Memnoch
- -----Original Message-----
From: JNeighb934@aol.com
To: birthright@mpgn.com
Date: Sunday, April 25, 1999 1:07 AM
Subject: [BIRTHRIGHT] - holding/province level modifiers


|In an action such as Rule, any regent with a similar holding in the
province
|or the province ruler can support or oppose the Rule attempt by subtracting
|or adding, respectively, his holding or province level to the action
success
|roll. My players have argued that if a regent is ruling up, say, a guild
|level 3 to a level 4, then that regent should be able to use his existing
|level 3 guild as a positive modifier to his action roll. I ruled against
|this, stating that only other regents could affect the roll in that way;
the
|Ruling (as in the domain action) regent could not use his current holding
or
|province level to affect the roll. Even though I understand my players'
|reasoning for believing a regent should be able to use his current
|holding/province level as a positive modifier, I disallowed it because I
feel
|it makes it too easy for the character to Rule up and is a loophole to save
|RP. IMO, just being able to rule up in the first place is indicative
enough
|of the regent's influence in the province without the added benefit of a
|freebie and automatic positive modifier.
|How do some of you other DMs out there rule on this?
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[the Falcon]

> In an action such as Rule, any regent with a similar holding in the province
> or the province ruler can support or oppose the Rule attempt by subtracting
> or adding, respectively, his holding or province level to the action success
> roll. My players have argued that if a regent is ruling up, say, a guild
> level 3 to a level 4, then that regent should be able to use his existing
> level 3 guild as a positive modifier to his action roll. I ruled against
> this, stating that only other regents could affect the roll in that way; the
> Ruling (as in the domain action) regent could not use his current holding or
> province level to affect the roll. Even though I understand my players'
> reasoning for believing a regent should be able to use his current
> holding/province level as a positive modifier, I disallowed it because I feel
> it makes it too easy for the character to Rule up and is a loophole to save
> RP. IMO, just being able to rule up in the first place is indicative enough
> of the regent's influence in the province without the added benefit of a
> freebie and automatic positive modifier.
> How do some of you other DMs out there rule on this?

Well, the level you're tryin to rule up to always works as a _penalty_ IMC
- - you get no bonuses whatsoever for your current level, though you might
get a bonus if you rule the province where you're tryin to rule a holding
or if you've got other holdings in the province, but that's on a
case-by-case basis.