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Thread: Ceremony/Regent Death Issues
12-15-2004, 02:12 AM #1
There are a couple of things that have come recently that need to be looked at I think, or at least explained a little better for the revised BRCS.
There is some confusions between Divestiture and Transfer. This came up recently in a pbem I'm playing in. The specific problem is which form of ceremony to use when you want to transfer over the entire domain of magically controlled regent (thus willing).
If you go by the information from the Book of Priestcraft then it is a Coronaton (charmed regent abdicates his rule), however the BRCS is not so clear. It could be either Divestiture or Transfer and you could make a case for either being the one to use.
The original BR rules were clearer.
- Willingly tranfer rule to another regent
- Designated heir confirms rule
- Claim unclaimed provinces
- Designate your heir
- Change heir
- Willingly transfer part of domain to another regent
- Doesn't need priest for guild/source holdings
- Create vassalage agreement (transfer RP between regents)
- Claim contested holdings/provinces
- Strip domain from unwilling capture regent
- Transfer bloodline willingly
- Strip bloodline from unwilling victim
Another problem with the ceremony action seems to be the cost and success chances for various types. As a rough guide to determining the success roll if the ceremony involves willing participants then success is automatic. Divestiture is automatic if the victim allows it to happen.
For the cost it should be something like 1 GB + 1 RP/pt of domain power to claim uncontrolled domains or divest someone, but just 1 GB for recognition and coronation ceremonies where both regents are present and willing participants.
This would create a little more cohesion in the rules. As it is, it is difficult to tell exactly which type of ceremony to use.
2. Death of Regent & Holdings
Another question that has arisen is what happens to a regent's domain after he dies without designating an heir. Obviously any provinces he controlled become uncontrolled and can be claimed by whoever takes over. But what happens to his holdings? Do they also become uncontrolled or do they simple disipate?Let me claim your Birthright!!
12-15-2004, 08:13 PM #2
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Agreed as far as the list of ceremonies and the cost of 1GB+1RP per point of domain to be transfered/stripped. Your second issue is what interests me. The way that my GM and fellow players have agreed as useful is that all holdings go uncontrolled upon a regents death, these holding can then be claimed much like an unclaimed piece of property. However, these holdings reduce by one point per month that passes if no one claims. This loss of levels is arrested if and when the holdings are claimed.
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12-15-2004, 09:50 PM #3
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"Another question that has arisen is what happens to a
regent`s domain after he dies without designating an
heir. Obviously any provinces he controlled become
uncontrolled and can be claimed by whoever takes over.
But what happens to his holdings? Do they also become
uncontrolled or do they simple disipate?"
Well, I kind of favor the idea that every time a new
regent needs to be selected for any reason, a sort of
domain challenge happens which can take many weeks or
even years. Obviously, the heir and any direct blood
would have the strongest claim, and thus get huge
benefits in the claim. The next would be he who
controlled the most law holdings, and such.
I also like the idea of Regency being able to help
influence the outcome of such a check, so that various
regents could vie control of the provinces, or
otherwise determines who to back by investing RP.
If the victory is not an overwhelming one, either
nothing happens and the provinces are lawless, or the
domain is temporarily under the control of multiple
regents for a season with RP trickling to each of
Furthermore, diplomacy actions and adventure actions
could earn RP and GB which would be very useful in
making your claim to the throne.
It also helps explain realms like Osuerde with the
true prince in hiding while a usurper holds the
throne; a situation very difficult to attain in a game
mechanic where provinces will automatically transfer
control to the true heir...
A regent can still declare his heir, i.e., who he will
support and expects everyone loyal to him to support,
but it is no guarantee. Not by a long shot.
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