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    Pieter Sleijpen
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    Nature of Magic: Is this logica

    ::Evil Grin::

    I am not exactly a FR expert, but doesn't Elminster already has got a
    bloodline? :-)

    Pieter Sleijpen

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    Nature of Magic: Is this logica

    > I am not exactly a FR expert, but doesn't Elminster already has got a
    > bloodline? :-)

    mmm... He conceivably could have (well, something like it, anyways) since
    he is one of the Chosen of Mystra and all. Invested with Her power;
    special abilities and immunities and stuff like that...

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    Pieter Sleijpen
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    Nature of Magic: Is this logica

    darkstar wrote:
    >
    > the Falcon wrote:
    > >
    > > > If the source of his magic is extraplanar, I would rule it cut off by the
    > > > Shadow World while he was on Cerilia.
    > >
    > > A question related to that topic:
    > >
    > > How "easy" is access to the Ephereal Plane and the Astral Plane from
    > > Cerilia?
    > >
    > Well in the Outer Plane accessory I am working on for Birthright
    > (http://members.xoom.com/ihoskins/book/) access to the Etheral plane is
    > almost impossible, while access to the Astral Plane is normal. That is
    > only one person view though.

    As far as I can see, the official cannon on the Ethereal Plane and
    Cerilia is that the Shadow World actually is in the place of the Border
    Ethereal (or even is the border ethereal). Every spell and/or item that
    places a character in the Ethereal will place him in the Shadow World
    instead. The fear my players have for the Shadow World (mainly due to
    stories) actually makes sure that the priest of Avani hardly ever uses
    the spell to go to the Ethereal plane for several rounds.

    Pieter Sleijpen

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    Kenneth Gauck
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    Nature of Magic: Is this logica

    The former gets you drunk, the latter was worn by that famous emperor
    reputed to have gone naked.

    >
    >So then what would an _oil_of_etherealness_ do in Cerilia? What about
    >_armor_of_etherealness_?
    >

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    Nature of Magic: Is this logica

    - -----Original Message-----
    From: Pieter Sleijpen
    To: birthright@mpgn.com
    Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 10:41 AM
    Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Nature of Magic: Is this logical?


    >::Evil Grin::
    >
    >I am not exactly a FR expert, but doesn't Elminster already has got a
    >bloodline? :-)
    >
    >Pieter Sleijpen
    >
    Yeah, he's a Chosen Of Mystra. That's a lot like being a True bloodline,
    except that Mystra wouldn't be able to save him on Cerilia, having no
    influence there.
    On the other hand, Elminster would get to be real good friends with Ruornil,
    since he makes Ruornil's avatar look like a wuss. Course, he does that on
    Faerun too, at least where most demigods are concerned.
    Brandes

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    Nature of Magic: Is this logica

    >Yeah, he's a Chosen Of Mystra. That's a lot like being a True bloodline,
    >except that Mystra wouldn't be able to save him on Cerilia, having no
    >influence there.
    >On the other hand, Elminster would get to be real good friends with
    Ruornil,
    >since he makes Ruornil's avatar look like a wuss. Course, he does that on
    >Faerun too, at least where most demigods are concerned.
    >Brandes
    >


    You'll have to excuse my ignorance here. (I never cared for AD&D before
    BR came out, and I know less than jack about FR.)
    Why doesn't Elminster just ascend to godhood?


    Ben

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    Nature of Magic: Is this logica

    brandes wrote:

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Pieter Sleijpen
    > To: birthright@mpgn.com
    > Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 10:41 AM
    > Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Nature of Magic: Is this logical?
    >
    > >::Evil Grin::
    > >
    > >I am not exactly a FR expert, but doesn't Elminster already has got a
    > >bloodline? :-)
    > >
    > >Pieter Sleijpen
    > >
    > Yeah, he's a Chosen Of Mystra. That's a lot like being a True bloodline,
    > except that Mystra wouldn't be able to save him on Cerilia, having no
    > influence there.
    > On the other hand, Elminster would get to be real good friends with Ruornil,
    > since he makes Ruornil's avatar look like a wuss.

    Well not "since" but because they have similar ideals (I assume). But even
    Elminster couldn't kill Rounil with spells (since Ruornil can "harmlessly absorb
    any wizard spell cast at him").

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    Nature of Magic: Is this logica

    >>Yeah, he's a Chosen Of Mystra. That's a lot like being a True bloodline,
    >>except that Mystra wouldn't be able to save him on Cerilia, having no
    >>influence there.
    >>On the other hand, Elminster would get to be real good friends with
    >Ruornil,
    >>since he makes Ruornil's avatar look like a wuss. Course, he does that on
    >>Faerun too, at least where most demigods are concerned.
    >>Brandes
    >>
    >
    >
    > You'll have to excuse my ignorance here. (I never cared for AD&D before
    >BR came out, and I know less than jack about FR.)
    > Why doesn't Elminster just ascend to godhood?
    >
    >
    >Ben

    Okay, this is hopelessly off-topic for a Birthright mailing list, but
    Elminster doesn't ascend to godhood because:
    A. Mystra doesn't need any more allied gods; she needs mortals. Since
    apotheosis requires a divine sponsor, Elminster would have to gain her
    approval first.
    B. Ascension requires something like 40th level in the Realms. The Old
    Mage is 29th; the highest level mage that I know of in the Realms is 32nd (a
    lich in Tethyr or some such).
    C. He doesn't want to; he has enough responsibilities already.
    Any questions?

    Brandes

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    Nature of Magic: Is this logica

    So IYC, people _drink_ magical oils? Interesting... Great laxatives,
    of course. :)

    > The former gets you drunk, the latter was worn by that famous emperor
    > reputed to have gone naked.
    > >
    > >So then what would an _oil_of_etherealness_ do in Cerilia? What about
    > >_armor_of_etherealness_?

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    Nature of Magic: Is this logica

    > B. Ascension requires something like 40th level in the Realms. The Old
    > Mage is 29th; the highest level mage that I know of in the Realms is 32nd (a
    > lich in Tethyr or some such).

    Actually, it requires 25th level, one ability scores of at least 21
    (IIRC), and another one of at least 19. Also, you'll need the support of
    an already existin god of at least lesser stature and the possession of an
    artifact. And then finally, you'll need to come up with some special rite
    in which you will sacrife about all of your wordly possessions. And even
    should you get completely through this ordeal, Ao (the Overlord of the
    Realms) might just reject your polite request and turn you into something
    else entirely. That's a really short summary of it, anyways.

    > C. He doesn't want to; he has enough responsibilities already.

    Indeed, who needs another demi-god? And the demi-god of what, anyways?
    The only thing that becomin a demi-god would get Elminster, is conflict
    with other gods.

    - the Falcon

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