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    Olesens
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    NOT BR - I feel it`s my duty

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    > Due to it's cumbersuome nature and extremely unrealistic political
    > structure, FR will continue to get the bum wrap. I'm sorry that the
    > poor cousin gets put upon when compared to its superior, but...
    >

    I'd have to agree with the political stucture thingy. My PC in FR is
    Lord of Shadowdale. Now, asside from the boring "stop the drow" and "oh
    no, a ramageing dragon; lets call Elminster," what the hell am I
    supposed to do? I any BR kingdom, there are things to do. Whether
    working against a much larger foe (The Gorgon, Ghoere), trying to bring
    about the downfall of an equal-power neighboor (Alamie vs. Tournen), or
    playing hero-kingdom (Muden) there is always something to do. What the
    hell is Shadowdale supposed to do? Invade Cormyr? The Dales seem very
    odd, there are very powerful neighbors, and yet they still exsist. "But
    they have Elminster!" Yeah, what is Elminster supposed to do against
    Cormyr's army? It seems that someone would have usurped the throne of
    Cormyr or one of its Kings (or whatever) would be evil and invade the
    Dales. Lots of good farmland up there to support a rampant army...

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    Due to it's cumbersuome nature and
    extremely unrealistic political structure, FR will continue to get the
    bum wrap.  I'm sorry that the poor cousin gets put upon when compared
    to its superior, but... <shrug>
    I'd have to agree with the political stucture thingy.  My PC in FR
    is Lord of Shadowdale.  Now, asside from the boring "stop the drow"
    and "oh no, a ramageing dragon; lets call Elminster," what the hell am
    I supposed to do?  I any BR kingdom, there are things to do. 
    Whether working against a much larger foe (The Gorgon, Ghoere), trying
    to bring about the downfall of an equal-power neighboor (Alamie vs. Tournen),
    or playing hero-kingdom (Muden) there is always something to do. 
    What the hell is Shadowdale supposed to do?  Invade Cormyr? 
    The Dales seem very odd, there are very powerful neighbors, and yet they
    still exsist.  "But they have Elminster!" Yeah, what is Elminster
    supposed to do against Cormyr's army?  It seems that someone would
    have usurped the throne of Cormyr or one of its Kings (or whatever) would
    be evil and invade the Dales.  Lots of good farmland up there to support
    a rampant army...



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    brandes
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    NOT BR - I feel it`s my duty

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    Due to it's cumbersuome nature and extremely unrealistic =
    political structure, FR will continue to get the bum wrap. I'm sorry =
    that the poor cousin gets put upon when compared to its superior, but... =

    I'd have to agree with the political stucture thingy. My PC in FR =
    is Lord of Shadowdale. Now, asside from the boring "stop the drow" and =
    "oh no, a ramageing dragon; lets call Elminster," what the hell am I =
    supposed to do? I any BR kingdom, there are things to do. Whether =
    working against a much larger foe (The Gorgon, Ghoere), trying to bring =
    about the downfall of an equal-power neighboor (Alamie vs. Tournen), or =
    playing hero-kingdom (Muden) there is always something to do. What the =
    hell is Shadowdale supposed to do? Invade Cormyr? The Dales seem very =
    odd, there are very powerful neighbors, and yet they still exsist. "But =
    they have Elminster!" Yeah, what is Elminster supposed to do against =
    Cormyr's army? It seems that someone would have usurped the throne of =
    Cormyr or one of its Kings (or whatever) would be evil and invade the =
    Dales. Lots of good farmland up there to support a rampant army...=20
    Since you brought it up, I will continue this wildly not-BR tangent, =
    If only that it makes an interesting debate and I'm bored. Why doesn't =
    Cormyr invade? Go check Azoun's alignment. Do you know what LG stands =
    for? Great. Let's move on. Dales=3Dhard to invade. 1. They invented =
    guerilla warfare, FR-style. That's exactly what Randal Morn is doing =
    against the vastly superior Zhentarim presence in Daggerdale. 2. As a =
    part of #1, they know the land like nobody's business. 3. If things get =
    bad, every farmer and shopkeeper would gladly take up bow or blade =
    against an invading force. See also: Braveheart. Now do you see why =
    3-4 Levy (possibly Irregulars) units can realistically beat 1-2 units of =
    Knights, 1-2 units of archers, and 3-4 units of Infantry (or Elite =
    Infantry)? The Dales Strategy 101: "Run. Hide. The highland way." =
    "We'll make spears. Hundreds of 'em. Twice as long as a man."
    Why can't you fight the Zhentarim like most other Good =
    leaders/rulers of the Realms (and especially the Eastern Heartlands)? =
    Also, most actions that a BR regent can undertake (aside from the =
    building of sources and the usage of Realm (ha ha) spells) could just as =
    easily be performed by a leader in FR. Why be a passive ruler?
    If that's no good, Shadowdale is one of the best-organized and most =
    powerful Dales. If you feel that the Dales are ripe for the plucking, =
    what are you waiting for? Most DMs that I know (including myself) would =
    love to see a player take that kind of initiative.
    Brandes

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    Due to it's cumbersuome =
    nature and=20
    extremely unrealistic political structure, FR will continue to =
    get the=20
    bum wrap.  I'm sorry that the poor cousin gets put upon =
    when=20
    compared to its superior, but... =
    <shrug>I'd have=20
    to agree with the political stucture thingy.  My PC in FR is =
    Lord of=20
    Shadowdale.  Now, asside from the boring "stop the =
    drow" and=20
    "oh no, a ramageing dragon; lets call Elminster," what the =
    hell am=20
    I supposed to do?  I any BR kingdom, there are things to =
    do. =20
    Whether working against a much larger foe (The Gorgon, Ghoere), =
    trying to=20
    bring about the downfall of an equal-power neighboor (Alamie vs. =
    Tournen),=20
    or playing hero-kingdom (Muden) there is always something to =
    do.  What=20
    the hell is Shadowdale supposed to do?  Invade Cormyr?  =
    The Dales=20
    seem very odd, there are very powerful neighbors, and yet they still =

    exsist.  "But they have Elminster!" Yeah, what is =
    Elminster=20
    supposed to do against Cormyr's army?  It seems that someone =
    would have=20
    usurped the throne of Cormyr or one of its Kings (or whatever) would =
    be evil=20
    and invade the Dales.  Lots of good farmland up there to =
    support a=20
    rampant army...
    Since=20
    you brought it up, I will continue this wildly not-BR tangent, If =
    only that=20
    it makes an interesting debate and I'm bored.  Why doesn't =
    Cormyr=20
    invade?  Go check Azoun's alignment.  Do you know what LG =
    stands=20
    for?  Great.  Let's move on.  Dales=3Dhard to =
    invade.  1.=20
    They invented guerilla warfare, FR-style.  That's exactly what =
    Randal=20
    Morn is doing against the vastly superior Zhentarim presence in=20
    Daggerdale.  2. As a part of #1, they know the land like =
    nobody's=20
    business.  3. If things get bad, every farmer and shopkeeper =
    would=20
    gladly take up bow or blade against an invading force.  See =
    also:=20
    Braveheart.  Now do you see why 3-4 Levy (possibly Irregulars) =
    units=20
    can realistically beat 1-2 units of Knights, 1-2 units of archers, =
    and 3-4=20
    units of Infantry (or Elite Infantry)?  The Dales Strategy =
    101: =20
    "Run.  Hide.  The highland way."  =
    "We'll make=20
    spears.  Hundreds of 'em.  Twice as long as a =
    man."
    Why=20
    can't you fight the Zhentarim like most other Good leaders/rulers of =
    the=20
    Realms (and especially the Eastern Heartlands)?  Also, most =
    actions=20
    that a BR regent can undertake (aside from the building of sources =
    and the=20
    usage of Realm (ha ha) spells) could just as easily be performed by =
    a leader=20
    in FR.  Why be a passive ruler?
    If=20
    that's no good, Shadowdale is one of the best-organized and most =
    powerful=20
    Dales.  If you feel that the Dales are ripe for the plucking, =
    what are=20
    you waiting for?  Most DMs that I know (including myself) would =
    love to=20
    see a player take that kind of initiative.
    Brandes

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