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  1. #1
    Kenneth Gauck
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    Neutral Alignment (was I feel a

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    >(Sidebar comment: LN often DOES use "ends justify the means." That's =
    why you can have LN >Bounty Hunters, LN Assassins, and LN politicians. =
    (sorry))

    I agree with Brandes, and will add that Neutral alignments (on the =
    good-evil axis) are the ends-justify-the-means charcters par excellance. =
    Good characters believe the means must be good as well as the ends. =
    Evil characters don't care about the means. =20

    KG


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    >(Sidebar comment:  LN often DOES use =
    "ends=20
    justify the means."  That's why you can have LN >Bounty =
    Hunters, LN=20
    Assassins, and LN politicians. (sorry))
     
    I agree with Brandes, and will add that Neutral =
    alignments (on=20
    the good-evil axis) are the ends-justify-the-means charcters par=20
    excellance.  Good characters believe the means must be good as well =
    as the=20
    ends.  Evil characters don't care about the means.  =

     
    KG
     

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    Ben
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    Neutral Alignment (was I feel a

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    I would go so far as to say that the "ends justify the means" =
    mentality is intrinsically tied with lawful alignment. Whereas CG =
    characters are more concerned with means--and CE don't really care.=20
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Kenneth Gauck
    To: birthright@MPGN.COM
    Date: Saturday, February 20, 1999 8:40 PM
    Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Neutral Alignment (was I feel a duty)
    =20
    =20
    >(Sidebar comment: LN often DOES use "ends justify the means." =
    That's why you can have LN >Bounty Hunters, LN Assassins, and LN =
    politicians. (sorry))
    =20
    I agree with Brandes, and will add that Neutral alignments (on the =
    good-evil axis) are the ends-justify-the-means charcters par excellance. =
    Good characters believe the means must be good as well as the ends. =
    Evil characters don't care about the means. =20
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    KG


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        I=20
    would go so far as to say that the "ends justify the means" =
    mentality=20
    is intrinsically tied with lawful alignment. Whereas CG characters are =
    more=20
    concerned with means--and CE don't really care.

    -----Original =
    Message-----From:=20
    Kenneth Gauck <c558382@earthlink.net>To:=20
    birthright@MPGN.COM =
    <birthright@MPGN.COM>Dat=
    e:=20
    Saturday, February 20, 1999 8:40 PMSubject: Re: =
    [BIRTHRIGHT]=20
    - Neutral Alignment (was I feel a duty)
    >(Sidebar comment:  LN often DOES use =
    "ends=20
    justify the means."  That's why you can have LN >Bounty =

    Hunters, LN Assassins, and LN politicians. (sorry))
     
    I agree with Brandes, and will add that Neutral =
    alignments=20
    (on the good-evil axis) are the ends-justify-the-means charcters par =

    excellance.  Good characters believe the means must be good as =
    well as=20
    the ends.  Evil characters don't care about the means. =20

     
    KG
     

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    Kenneth Gauck
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    Neutral Alignment (was I feel a

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    A lawful character might be that way, but that is only one way to play =
    it. Lawful characters might favor laws, or order, or the interests of =
    the group over the individual. A Lawful Evil ruler might ruthlessly put =
    down resistance to his rule. A Lawful Evil guider might assasinate his =
    rivals. In the case of all Lawfully aligned characters just arguments =
    of justification are only along the good-evil axis. The Lawful Evil =
    ruler would still recognize the lawful rights of his people (though =
    anyone in rebellion posseses markedly fewer rights than obediant =
    subjects), and the Lawful Evil guilder would be more troubled by the =
    climate an assasination might create than the fact that he was killing =
    another person. =20

    Kenneth Gauck
    c558382@earthlink.net

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Silveras
    Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 1:28 PM


    Heh ...
    Oddly enough, I would argue that the Lawful alignments are the =
    ones who *refuse* the argument that the end justifies the means; that =
    such an attitude is more suited to Chaotic characters.=20
    Rationale: Lawful characters are the ones most often seen with a =
    code of honor, being concerned with following their teachings, =
    requirements, and/or behaviors of their organizations. They are the ones =
    who would (IMHO) be most likely to feel that a victory won through =
    less-than-proper methods is a false victory.
    =20
    Just another opinion ....
    =20
    Silveras

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    A lawful character might be that way, but that is =
    only one way=20
    to play it.  Lawful characters might favor laws, or order, or the =
    interests=20
    of the group over the individual.  A Lawful Evil ruler might =
    ruthlessly put=20
    down resistance to his rule.  A Lawful Evil guider might assasinate =
    his=20
    rivals.  In the case of all Lawfully aligned characters just =
    arguments of=20
    justification are only along the good-evil axis.  The Lawful Evil =
    ruler=20
    would still recognize the lawful rights of his people (though anyone in=20
    rebellion posseses markedly fewer rights than obediant subjects), and =
    the Lawful=20
    Evil guilder would be more troubled by the climate an assasination might =
    create=20
    than the fact that he was killing another person. 
     
    Kenneth =
    Gauckc558382@earthlink.net

    -----Original =
    Message-----From:=20
    Silveras <silveras@earthlink.net>=
    Date:=20
    Sunday, February 21, 1999 1:28 PM
        Heh ...
        Oddly enough, I =
    would argue=20
    that the Lawful alignments are the ones who *refuse* the argument that =
    the end=20
    justifies the means; that such an attitude is more suited to Chaotic=20
    characters.
        Rationale: Lawful =
    characters=20
    are the ones most often seen with a code of honor, being concerned =
    with=20
    following their teachings, requirements, and/or behaviors of their=20
    organizations. They are the ones who would (IMHO) be most likely to =
    feel that=20
    a victory won through less-than-proper methods is a false=20
    victory.
     
        Just another opinion =
    ....
     
            &n bsp; &nbs=
    p;=20
    Silveras

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    Craig Dalrymple
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    Neutral Alignment (was I feel a

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    You know, it has just dawned upon me that this whole neutrality =
    discussion is
    just another one of those "the alignment system is flawed" threads. We =
    are
    beating a very dead horse into the ground, alebit with some very good =
    points
    on our spears :)

    I'd like to see some end on this one soon. I am not telling any of you =
    what to
    do but heck I would rather hear more ideas on how exactly Hermedhie got
    those nasty scars on her cheeks.

    Craig

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    You know, it has just dawned upon me =
    that this=20
    whole neutrality discussion is
    just another one of those "the =
    alignment=20
    system is flawed" threads. We are
    beating a very dead horse into the =
    ground,=20
    alebit with some very good points
    on our spears :)
     
    I'd like to see some end on this one =
    soon. I am=20
    not telling any of you what to
    do but heck I would rather hear more =
    ideas on=20
    how exactly Hermedhie got
    those nasty scars on her =
    cheeks.
     
    Craig

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