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  1. #21
    Jeff Dunnett
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    I feel it`s my duty (long as he

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    Jeff




    - ---the Falcon wrote:
    >
    > > More worldly refers to, in essense, more earthly experience. By
    and large the players of BR that I game with average 25 to 30+. We're
    the old farts of this industry anymore. Though age is not a pre-req
    for experience OR maturity, it most often is.
    >
    > mmm... This makes me really curious about the age of all you posters
    here
    > on the BR mailing list. I really wonder what kinda crowd we have
    here.
    > If anyone wants to divulge to me the secret of their age, please
    feel free
    > to do so. I'm not gonna do anything with it, I just want to know.
    >
    > Trying to satisfy curiosity...
    >
    > - the Falcon
    >
    >
    > PS: I hope this isn't disallowed by mailing list rules or
    whatsoever... I
    > mean no harm...
    >
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  2. #22
    brandes
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    I feel it`s my duty (long as he

    >Ever taken a look at Europe in the 14th century, that was a real mix bag
    >of different cultures, just like Mystara and often a simple border could
    >mean that difference. It is this large difference in cultures that makes
    >Mystara unique, while FR is one large bland. Lets be honest, a citizen
    >of Waterdeep would not have any problems with culture in Cormyr, while
    >both nations are very far from each other. A citizen of Darokin, would
    >have a lot more trouble in Thyatis or even Karameikos.
    >
    >Pieter Sleijpen


    Let me see if I've got this straight: Ignoring language barriers, a citizen
    of, say, London/Waterdeep would have a hard time in Suzail/Rome? Or
    Constantinople/wherever? As long as said traveler spoke Latin, he can at
    least survive anywhere he wants. The language of choice later shifted to
    French, of course, but that's not the point. Any of the major cities of the
    HRE were not as incompatible with cities in Italy, France, England, or Spain
    as you imply.

    Brandes

  3. #23
    Ben
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    I feel it`s my duty (long as he

    I'm 22. And I enjoy playing with the old farts much more than high
    schoolers.



    :)


    Ben

  4. #24
    Herald Williams
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    I feel it`s my duty (long as he

    I'm 31. Our online BR group has ages 33, 32, 27, 26, and 23 if I
    remember correctly.

    Sergil

    > >
    > > mmm... This makes me really curious about the age of all you posters
    > here
    > > on the BR mailing list. I really wonder what kinda crowd we have
    > here.
    > > If anyone wants to divulge to me the secret of their age, please
    > feel free
    > > to do so. I'm not gonna do anything with it, I just want to know.
    > >
    > > Trying to satisfy curiosity...
    > >
    > > - the Falcon
    > >
    > >
    > > PS: I hope this isn't disallowed by mailing list rules or
    > whatsoever... I
    > > mean no harm...
    > >
    > >
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  5. #25
    brandes
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    I feel it`s my duty (long as he

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    >Pieter Sleijpen

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  6. #26
    Samuel Weiss
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    I feel it`s my duty (long as he

    >Ever taken a look at Europe in the 14th century, that was a real mix bag
    of different cultures, just like Mystara and often a simple border could
    mean that difference. It is this large difference in cultures that makes
    Mystara unique, while FR is one large bland. Lets be honest, a citizen
    of Waterdeep would not have any problems with culture in Cormyr, while
    both nations are very far from each other. A citizen of Darokin, would
    have a lot more trouble in Thyatis or even Karameikos.

    Pieter Sleijpen<

    Actually I was referring more to Mystara placing Viking fjords just north of
    an Arabic desert, which is north of an Asia Minor Byzantine Empire. Further,
    the Viking fjords have a nice open Asian steppe on their inland border,
    which lead into a middle European forested hill and mountain region. And
    then we continue south past wasted badlands to a huge interior forest with
    massive mountain ranges surrounding it, along a major river ending in an
    over large swamp delta which has a massively upthrust plateau inhabited by
    Indigenous American makeovers of all stripes, from East Coast Forest
    dwellers to Great Plains Nomads, to Southwest Desert Cliff Dwellers, to
    Pacific Coast Whalers to Mexican Pyramid Builders.
    Meanwhile, despite numerous local variations, the culture of central Europe
    during the dark and middle ages was much more homogenous than this could
    ever hope to be.
    Not that I overwhelmingly care, I use Mystara on occasion anyway.

    Samwise

  7. #27
    Pieter Sleijpen
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    I feel it`s my duty (long as he

    Maybe I used to stong words, but the difference between England and
    Venetie in the 14th century was large. Venetia was in the early
    rhainesance (spelling?), while England was still firmly in the Medieval.
    Sure, people can survive in the other nations. But they are bound to
    make serious mistakes, remember, there were no such things as travelers
    guides (I think). Would a knight of England understand the power of the
    merchant families in Venetie?

    My remarks still stays, FR is much more a blend as opposed to a lot of
    different cultures seperated. That is not to say, that I don't like FR.
    I have played and DM'ed in the area and enjoyed it greatly. I currently
    just prefer BR, for more then one reason. Magic rules, bloodlines,
    ruling domains, unique flavor of the cultures/races, strong interaction
    between every country/culture of Cerilia, language barriers,
    awnsheghlien and not as many mages and high leveled characters (every
    city in FR has got at least 3 or more 12th-level or higher wizards, ever
    taken a look at the average Zhentarim or Cormyrean patrol?).

    brandes wrote:
    >
    > >Ever taken a look at Europe in the 14th century, that was a real mix bag
    > >of different cultures, just like Mystara and often a simple border could
    > >mean that difference. It is this large difference in cultures that makes
    > >Mystara unique, while FR is one large bland. Lets be honest, a citizen
    > >of Waterdeep would not have any problems with culture in Cormyr, while
    > >both nations are very far from each other. A citizen of Darokin, would
    > >have a lot more trouble in Thyatis or even Karameikos.
    > >
    > >Pieter Sleijpen
    >
    > Let me see if I've got this straight: Ignoring language barriers, a citizen
    > of, say, London/Waterdeep would have a hard time in Suzail/Rome? Or
    > Constantinople/wherever? As long as said traveler spoke Latin, he can at
    > least survive anywhere he wants. The language of choice later shifted to
    > French, of course, but that's not the point. Any of the major cities of the
    > HRE were not as incompatible with cities in Italy, France, England, or Spain
    > as you imply.
    >
    > Brandes

  8. #28
    Kenneth Gauck
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    I feel it`s my duty (long as he

    He could get along as long as he never wanted to interact with people who
    had not been through university prepretory school, known as Grammer School
    because you learned Latin grammer there.

    Many clergy did not know Latin, despite the injunction to do so. Too many
    memorized the Latin mass and repeated it without knowing the meaning of what
    they were saying. One well known Yorksire Bishop knew so little of Latin he
    was unable to say the oath of installation in Latin.

    The only people who were proficent with in Latin were the learned, doctors,
    canon or civil lawyers, and the devoted clergy. Dealing with anyone else
    would require knowing the local language.

    Kenneth Gauck
    c558382@earthlink.net

    - -----Original Message-----
    From: brandes
    Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 5:12 PM

    >Let me see if I've got this straight: Ignoring language barriers, a
    citizen
    >of, say, London/Waterdeep would have a hard time in Suzail/Rome? Or
    >Constantinople/wherever? As long as said traveler spoke Latin, he can at
    >least survive anywhere he wants.

  9. #29
    Pieter Sleijpen
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    I feel it`s my duty (long as he

    The desert in Mystara is a magical creation, the result of the weather
    magic of Alfheim. The distance between the vikings and the Byzanthium
    empire is about the size of half Europe and there were vikings and
    Byzanthium empire in RL at the same time. As was a medieval Europe
    (Karameikos, or in RL England) and Rennaisance one (Darokin, or in RL
    Italy). You would be surprised at the diversity in Europe even over such
    a small distance as the 200 km or so between the west coast of the
    Netherlands and the border with Germany (especially in the 16th
    century).

    Pieter Sleijpen

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    I feel it`s my duty (long as he

    > Hmm, I could be mistaken, but that statement isn't totally correct. I'm
    > nowhere close to my books, but you never mentioned anything else about the
    > furnaces either. They aren't all that common, and to be honest, I've never
    > seen that quote in any shape, unless its in one of the few supplements I don't
    > have. Do you happen to know which one it is from?

    From the Lorebook of the Void, I believe. Otherwise it's from the
    Concordance of Arcane Space. Anyways, like I said, the furnaces are
    beyond the point. My point was that the Realms are so overpopulated with
    gods, demi-gods, archliches, mighty heroes, living legends, and whatnots,
    that they're just hip-deep in powerful magic items. Guess it wasn't such
    a good quote after all. Maybe you should just ignore it.

    - the Falcon

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