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  1. #1
    Craig Greeson
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    Wardings/The Sword Mage/Sou

    Muaadeeb mentions the Sword Mage not having a level 5 source. I've always
    thought he was one of the most intriguing characters in BR and would love
    to play him (or her?) in a PBeM. I always decide not to because the lack
    of a level 5 source means no Death Plague, Mass Destruction, Raze,
    Transport, or Warding spells. These, IMO, are pretty much the
    bread-and-butter of a major evil wizard. Of course, if the Sword Mage had
    a level 5 source, Ghoere might suddenly look awfully dangerous.....

    On the subject of source levels, I'm curious if many DMs adjust the source
    potential of the ancient forest sources in Anuire? IMO, the following
    areas all are ancient forest and should have a source potential of 9 less
    the effects of non-elven civilization:
    Spiderfell
    Erebannien (at least within Aerenwe)
    Tuarhievel
    Sielwode

    I've also always found the current effective source levels of the elven
    realms in Anuire/Khinasi to be troubling. Why does the presence of elven
    civilization in Tuarhievel, the Sielwode, Innishiere, and Rhuannoch effect
    the level of their sources? The argument could be made that the intrusion
    of humans in Tuarhievel and Rhuannoch corrupts the flow of mebhaighl to an
    extent, but the Sielwode and Innishiere are supposed to be completely
    devoid of all humans, right?

    Regards
    Craig

    Muaadeeb@aol.com wrote:

    > Which requires the same things. And only elves seems to have enough of
    > both. I have seen an elven nation destroy a human nation within two
    > actions. Makes me wonder how in hells name the elves were ever defeated!
    >
    > (Besides, any mage I currently DM on the PBEM is of high enough level to
    > cast the spell, has got enough sources to cast the thing and also the
    > backing of an army -that is Erik Danig, the Fae, Rhuobhe, Bacaele (he
    > will have it anyway)-. Seems not to be that rare, now does it?)
    >
    > Pieter Sleijpen
    > Pieter Sleijpen
    > >>
    >
    > Try looking at the Sword Mage and others.....a 5 is pretty impressive...;-)

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    Muaadeeb@aol.co
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    Wardings/The Sword Mage/Sou

    In a message dated 2/11/99 7:10:41 PM Pacific Standard Time,
    cgreeson@ccipost.net writes:

  3. #3
    Memnoch
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    Wardings/The Sword Mage/Sou

    Well, it is my sincere belief that the Elven Domains in Anuire have been
    screwed by bad editing, however, Due to the Sielwode and Tuarhievel's
    proximity to The Gorgon, it can be rationalized that due to one or two of
    his past rampages that were eventually beaten down, that he destroyed much
    of the forest and mebhaighl that goes along with it. And due to this, the
    land won't heal on it's own. But it can be repaired.

    At least that is how it has been generally played since I started playing in
    PBEMs

    Memnoch
    - -----Original Message-----
    From: Craig Greeson
    To: birthright@MPGN.COM
    Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 9:10 PM
    Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Re: Wardings/The Sword Mage/Source Levels


    |Muaadeeb mentions the Sword Mage not having a level 5 source. I've always
    |thought he was one of the most intriguing characters in BR and would love
    |to play him (or her?) in a PBeM. I always decide not to because the lack
    |of a level 5 source means no Death Plague, Mass Destruction, Raze,
    |Transport, or Warding spells. These, IMO, are pretty much the
    |bread-and-butter of a major evil wizard. Of course, if the Sword Mage had
    |a level 5 source, Ghoere might suddenly look awfully dangerous.....
    |
    |On the subject of source levels, I'm curious if many DMs adjust the source
    |potential of the ancient forest sources in Anuire? IMO, the following
    |areas all are ancient forest and should have a source potential of 9 less
    |the effects of non-elven civilization:
    |Spiderfell
    |Erebannien (at least within Aerenwe)
    |Tuarhievel
    |Sielwode
    |
    |I've also always found the current effective source levels of the elven
    |realms in Anuire/Khinasi to be troubling. Why does the presence of elven
    |civilization in Tuarhievel, the Sielwode, Innishiere, and Rhuannoch effect
    |the level of their sources? The argument could be made that the intrusion
    |of humans in Tuarhievel and Rhuannoch corrupts the flow of mebhaighl to an
    |extent, but the Sielwode and Innishiere are supposed to be completely
    |devoid of all humans, right?
    |
    |Regards
    |Craig
    |
    |Muaadeeb@aol.com wrote:
    |
    |> Which requires the same things. And only elves seems to have enough of
    |> both. I have seen an elven nation destroy a human nation within two
    |> actions. Makes me wonder how in hells name the elves were ever defeated!
    |>
    |> (Besides, any mage I currently DM on the PBEM is of high enough level to
    |> cast the spell, has got enough sources to cast the thing and also the
    |> backing of an army -that is Erik Danig, the Fae, Rhuobhe, Bacaele (he
    |> will have it anyway)-. Seems not to be that rare, now does it?)
    |>
    |> Pieter Sleijpen
    |> Pieter Sleijpen
    |> >>
    |>
    |> Try looking at the Sword Mage and others.....a 5 is pretty
    impressive...;-)
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    Wardings/The Sword Mage/Sou

    > On the subject of source levels, I'm curious if many DMs adjust the source
    > potential of the ancient forest sources in Anuire? IMO, the following
    > areas all are ancient forest and should have a source potential of 9 less
    > the effects of non-elven civilization:
    > Spiderfell
    > Erebannien (at least within Aerenwe)
    > Tuarhievel
    > Sielwode

    I've been toyin with that idea for a while, but you've let me make up my
    mind: I'm gonna do it. Thanks.

    > I've also always found the current effective source levels of the elven
    > realms in Anuire/Khinasi to be troubling. Why does the presence of elven
    > civilization in Tuarhievel, the Sielwode, Innishiere, and Rhuannoch effect
    > the level of their sources? The argument could be made that the intrusion
    > of humans in Tuarhievel and Rhuannoch corrupts the flow of mebhaighl to an
    > extent, but the Sielwode and Innishiere are supposed to be completely
    > devoid of all humans, right?

    IMC, elves _do_ reduce the magic rating of the forests they populate, but
    only by 1 level for each 2 levels of province rating (round fractions up).
    Thus, a light forest populated by elves with a province rating of 6 has a
    magic rating of 4 (for it has a magic potential of 7). As far as I can
    see, this is also the case on the maps of Anuire and Khinasi.

    - the Falcon

  5. #5
    Pieter A de Jong
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    Wardings/The Sword Mage/Sou

    Craig Greeson wrote:
    >
    > Muaadeeb mentions the Sword Mage not having a level 5 source. I've always
    > thought he was one of the most intriguing characters in BR and would love
    > to play him (or her?) in a PBeM. I always decide not to because the lack
    > of a level 5 source means no Death Plague, Mass Destruction, Raze,
    > Transport, or Warding spells. These, IMO, are pretty much the
    > bread-and-butter of a major evil wizard. Of course, if the Sword Mage had
    > a level 5 source, Ghoere might suddenly look awfully dangerous.....
    >
    Yes, Ghoere would be scary if the Sword Mage had a decent set of
    sources.
    If you want him to be scary in your game, I might suggest giving him a
    large
    source or two in the Spiderfell, weakening Khaine.

    > On the subject of source levels, I'm curious if many DMs adjust the source
    > potential of the ancient forest sources in Anuire? IMO, the following
    > areas all are ancient forest and should have a source potential of 9 less
    > the effects of non-elven civilization:
    > Spiderfell
    > Erebannien (at least within Aerenwe)
    > Tuarhievel
    > Sielwode

    Basically all anuirean forest are "Ancient Forest". The continent was
    once
    almost completely forested, similar to the eastern seaboard of North
    America,
    The only exceptions being the mountain chains, the northern tundra in
    Vosgaard, and the sourthern desert/plains in Khinasi. The humans came
    and
    deforested large areas, including most of anuire. This means that just
    about
    every forest on the continent is a remainder of the primeval elven
    tended forest.


    > I've also always found the current effective source levels of the elven
    > realms in Anuire/Khinasi to be troubling. Why does the presence of elven
    > civilization in Tuarhievel, the Sielwode, Innishiere, and Rhuannoch effect
    > the level of their sources? The argument could be made that the intrusion
    > of humans in Tuarhievel and Rhuannoch corrupts the flow of mebhaighl to an
    > extent, but the Sielwode and Innishiere are supposed to be completely
    > devoid of all humans, right?

    I always treated this as a mistake by whoever made the map. All elven
    provinces
    have source level limits as established by their terrain types.




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    Pieter A de Jong
    Graduate Mechanical Engineering Student
    University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada

  6. #6
    Mark A Vandermeulen
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    Wardings/The Sword Mage/Sou

    On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, the Falcon wrote:

    > IMC, elves _do_ reduce the magic rating of the forests they populate, but
    > only by 1 level for each 2 levels of province rating (round fractions up).
    > Thus, a light forest populated by elves with a province rating of 6 has a
    > magic rating of 4 (for it has a magic potential of 7). As far as I can
    > see, this is also the case on the maps of Anuire and Khinasi.

    I've always sort of that that perhaps it is the GUILD levels that caused
    the decrease in Elven lands. If they have built human-style guilds and are
    using them to raise GB, then that sort of negated their ability to use the
    land as lightly. No big difference in mechanics, I guess, but the concept
    seemed to fit.

    Mark VanderMeulen
    vander+@pitt.edu

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    Wardings/The Sword Mage/Sou

    > > IMC, elves _do_ reduce the magic rating of the forests they populate, but
    > > only by 1 level for each 2 levels of province rating (round fractions up).
    > > Thus, a light forest populated by elves with a province rating of 6 has a
    > > magic rating of 4 (for it has a magic potential of 7). As far as I can
    > > see, this is also the case on the maps of Anuire and Khinasi.
    >
    > I've always sort of that that perhaps it is the GUILD levels that caused
    > the decrease in Elven lands. If they have built human-style guilds and are
    > using them to raise GB, then that sort of negated their ability to use the
    > land as lightly. No big difference in mechanics, I guess, but the concept
    > seemed to fit.

    Well, I've also got this home rule in addition to the one I mentioned
    above, that if an elven province does not contain any guild holdings
    whatsoever it retains its maximum magic potential. Note that temples
    aren't the question here, since IMC you can't have temple holdings in
    elven provinces anyways (the local populace won't support them).

    - the Falcon

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