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  1. #1
    Pieter Sleijpen
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    Dispel Realm Magic

    For some time now I have a question concerning the use of 'dispel realm
    magic' and recently I have been confronted by it again:

    "Can you use 'dispel realm magic' on a province bordering the province
    in which you have sources or temple holdings?"

    This is off coarse of main concern to those irritating wardings, that
    can not be removed by any ways. Unless you happen to have holdings
    within the area, are lucky enough to be able to breach the warding and
    again lucky enough that the holdings are still there. Allowing dispel
    realm magic to be used this way, will certainly make this spell more
    usefull and will diminish the irritating 'warding' spell. It will also
    put priests and wizards on a more equal level, because it is much easier
    to remove temple holdings then sources. Meaning that a wizard probably
    is able to breach and dispel the ward before his sources are destroyed,
    while priests normally do not have that chance.

    Pieter Sleijpen

  2. #2
    Memnoch
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    Dispel Realm Magic

    Unfortunately for Priests, no, the temple holding must be within the Ward in
    order to dispel it. This is where the priestly Protection from Realm Magic
    spell applies.

    Memnochk
    The guy with the Warding up on the Invaded Nation of Rohrmarch where Pieter
    is the DM ;-)


    - -----Original Message-----
    From: Pieter Sleijpen
    To: mbirthright@egroups.com ; birthright@MPGN.COM
    ; gmwhennightfalls@egroups.com

    Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 7:56 AM
    Subject: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Dispel Realm Magic


    |For some time now I have a question concerning the use of 'dispel realm
    |magic' and recently I have been confronted by it again:
    |
    |"Can you use 'dispel realm magic' on a province bordering the province
    |in which you have sources or temple holdings?"
    |
    |This is off coarse of main concern to those irritating wardings, that
    |can not be removed by any ways. Unless you happen to have holdings
    |within the area, are lucky enough to be able to breach the warding and
    |again lucky enough that the holdings are still there. Allowing dispel
    |realm magic to be used this way, will certainly make this spell more
    |usefull and will diminish the irritating 'warding' spell. It will also
    |put priests and wizards on a more equal level, because it is much easier
    |to remove temple holdings then sources. Meaning that a wizard probably
    |is able to breach and dispel the ward before his sources are destroyed,
    |while priests normally do not have that chance.
    |
    |Pieter Sleijpen
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    |

  3. #3
    Pieter Sleijpen
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    Dispel Realm Magic

    Memnoch wrote:
    >
    > Unfortunately for Priests, no, the temple holding must be within the Ward in
    > order to dispel it. This is where the priestly Protection from Realm Magic
    > spell applies.
    >
    > Memnochk
    > The guy with the Warding up on the Invaded Nation of Rohrmarch where Pieter
    > is the DM ;-)
    >

    Erm, no I am not. The question has got to do more with Mystara
    Birthright then with When the Night Falls.

    A normal 'dispel magic' can be cast over a distance, then why should the
    realm spell only be cast closeby? Most other realm spells are
    instanteneous and hence can not be dispeled.

    O well, personally I think I will alow 'dispel realm magic' to affect
    neighboring provinces. If alone to make the fact that elves lost against
    the humans because of priests more logical. Not to mention that the RP
    biddings between wizards will become a nice fact.

  4. #4
    Memnoch
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    Dispel Realm Magic

    Actually, since the realm spell affects an entire province, it already
    qualifies as a "range" type spell.

    Secondly, this would completely unbalance the game, as sources do not allow
    for collection, and temple holdings do, unless you decide that source
    holdings are allowed to do this as well.

    Memnoch
    - -----Original Message-----
    From: Pieter Sleijpen
    To: birthright@MPGN.COM
    Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 8:35 AM
    Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Dispel Realm Magic


    |Memnoch wrote:
    |>
    |> Unfortunately for Priests, no, the temple holding must be within the Ward
    in
    |> order to dispel it. This is where the priestly Protection from Realm
    Magic
    |> spell applies.
    |>
    |> Memnochk
    |> The guy with the Warding up on the Invaded Nation of Rohrmarch where
    Pieter
    |> is the DM ;-)
    |>
    |
    |Erm, no I am not. The question has got to do more with Mystara
    |Birthright then with When the Night Falls.
    |
    |A normal 'dispel magic' can be cast over a distance, then why should the
    |realm spell only be cast closeby? Most other realm spells are
    |instanteneous and hence can not be dispeled.
    |
    |O well, personally I think I will alow 'dispel realm magic' to affect
    |neighboring provinces. If alone to make the fact that elves lost against
    |the humans because of priests more logical. Not to mention that the RP
    |biddings between wizards will become a nice fact.
    |************************************************* **************************
    ||'unsubscribe birthright' as the body of the message.
    |

  5. #5
    Memnoch
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    Dispel Realm Magic

    Lastly, I believe you are forgetting the fact, that according to the
    Birthright Timeline, the Elf-Human wars happened before Deismaar, and thus
    (at least for humans) Realm Magic did not even exist.

    Memnoch
    - -----Original Message-----
    From: Memnoch
    To: birthright@MPGN.COM
    Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 8:45 AM
    Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Dispel Realm Magic


    |Actually, since the realm spell affects an entire province, it already
    |qualifies as a "range" type spell.
    |
    |Secondly, this would completely unbalance the game, as sources do not allow
    |for collection, and temple holdings do, unless you decide that source
    |holdings are allowed to do this as well.
    |
    |Memnoch
    |-----Original Message-----
    |From: Pieter Sleijpen
    |To: birthright@MPGN.COM
    |Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 8:35 AM
    |Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Dispel Realm Magic
    |
    |
    ||Memnoch wrote:
    ||>
    ||> Unfortunately for Priests, no, the temple holding must be within the
    Ward
    |in
    ||> order to dispel it. This is where the priestly Protection from Realm
    |Magic
    ||> spell applies.
    ||>
    ||> Memnochk
    ||> The guy with the Warding up on the Invaded Nation of Rohrmarch where
    |Pieter
    ||> is the DM ;-)
    ||>
    ||
    ||Erm, no I am not. The question has got to do more with Mystara
    ||Birthright then with When the Night Falls.
    ||
    ||A normal 'dispel magic' can be cast over a distance, then why should the
    ||realm spell only be cast closeby? Most other realm spells are
    ||instanteneous and hence can not be dispeled.
    ||
    ||O well, personally I think I will alow 'dispel realm magic' to affect
    ||neighboring provinces. If alone to make the fact that elves lost against
    ||the humans because of priests more logical. Not to mention that the RP
    ||biddings between wizards will become a nice fact.
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  6. #6
    Kenneth Gauck
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    Dispel Realm Magic

    Perhaps it just lowers the warding along the border of the warded province
    and the province where the spell is cast?

    Kenneth Gauck
    c558382@earthlink.net

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    Dispel Realm Magic

    >Lastly, I believe you are forgetting the fact, that according to the
    >Birthright Timeline, the Elf-Human wars happened before Deismaar, and thus
    >(at least for humans) Realm Magic did not even exist.
    >
    Actually, some major wars (Roele conquering his Empire) happened after
    Deismaar. That's when the priests were decisive...

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    aka Azure Star Dragon
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  8. #8
    Memnoch
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    Dispel Realm Magic

    Yes, the wars continued after Deismaar, but the reason that the humans were
    able to win over the elves had two factors:

    1) Numbers, and replentishment thereof over time.

    2) Healing magic.

    These two factors alone, not realm magic was the major reason that Humans
    have won.

    Memnoch
    - -----Original Message-----
    From: Solmyr of the Azure Star
    To: birthright@TanSoft.COM
    Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 3:00 PM
    Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Dispel Realm Magic


    |>Lastly, I believe you are forgetting the fact, that according to the
    |>Birthright Timeline, the Elf-Human wars happened before Deismaar, and thus
    |>(at least for humans) Realm Magic did not even exist.
    |>
    |Actually, some major wars (Roele conquering his Empire) happened after
    |Deismaar. That's when the priests were decisive...
    |
    |******************
    |Aleksei Andrievski
    |aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Azure Star
    |aka Azure Star Dragon
    |solmyr@kolumbus.fi
    |http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html
    |
    |
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