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  1. #11
    Kenneth Gauck
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    Forsaken Priests

    They stay priests because what is the point of being an 8 HD warrior with no
    Con bonus, no weapon specialization, giving up a good save progression....
    An awful lot of work when a cleric with access to the sphere of zilch works
    so much better.

    Kenneth Gauck
    c558382@earthlink.net

    - -----Original Message-----
    From: Jim Cooper
    To: birthright@MPGN.COM
    Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 4:35 PM
    Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Forsaken Priests


    >Kenneth Gauck wrote:
    >> I don't think that forsaken priests would get the special advantages of
    the new class, fighters and weapons specialization, excellent THAC0
    progression, HD, and so on; thieves the skills, and so forth.<
    >
    >But otherwise they advance just as a regular warrior or rogue would? Or
    >are you saying that they remain priests, but without the spells?
    >
    >Cheers,
    >Darren

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    Forsaken Priests

    > Thanks! We now have 1 arguement for: stays priest class without spells,
    > and yours for: they revert to their base class (well, 2 with my vote).
    >
    > Anyone else care to make their case? :)

    I vote for stays-priest-but-stripped-of-all-spells-and-granted-powers...
    definitely...

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    Forsaken Priests

    > Damn - this is good. I'm being to be swayed now ... Hmmm ... Good
    > point cowboy! But would Belinik really give someone a second chance?!?

    If it helps any, look at this like this: Belinik may have given this
    priest a second priest, but he also gave him a good flogging. Also,
    Belinik has not forgotten the slight and never will. Should the priest
    digress again, his punishment will be that much more severe.

    No Salvation
    No Forgiveness

    But he has to give his worshippers some leeway, lest they all deflect to a
    more suitable faith. Of course, Belinik is more likely to keep a close
    tag on his priests than on his lay worshippers.

    - the Falcon

  4. #14
    Trizt
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    Forsaken Priests

    Jim Cooper wrote:

    > Thanks! We now have 1 arguement for: stays priest class without spells,
    > and yours for: they revert to their base class (well, 2 with my vote).
    >
    > Anyone else care to make their case? :)

    No where in may book says anything that a preist changes class (you
    don't get extra hitpoints, gett better to fight and so on only for you
    loose your faith). The priest will be a godless priest which means that
    all special powers and spells are lost untill the priest finds another
    god who are willing to grant spells.

    It's only paladins who losses their paladinhood and becomes fighters
    with no possibility to be a paladin once more (No magic can help here
    IMHO).

    //Trizt

  5. #15
    Pieter Sleijpen
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    Forsaken Priests

    Trizt wrote:
    >
    > Jim Cooper wrote:
    >
    > > Thanks! We now have 1 arguement for: stays priest class without spells,
    > > and yours for: they revert to their base class (well, 2 with my vote).
    > >
    > > Anyone else care to make their case? :)
    >
    > No where in may book says anything that a preist changes class (you
    > don't get extra hitpoints, gett better to fight and so on only for you
    > loose your faith). The priest will be a godless priest which means that
    > all special powers and spells are lost untill the priest finds another
    > god who are willing to grant spells.
    >
    > It's only paladins who losses their paladinhood and becomes fighters
    > with no possibility to be a paladin once more (No magic can help here
    > IMHO).

    Actually it does.

    But on an other level, if a priest of Belinik turns into a fighter of
    two levels lower without a change into hit points or proficiencies that
    would hardly change much. He had permission to use all weapons and
    armor, even had something along weapon specialisation and so on. I would
    not lower the THAC0 immidiatly, but let it change after that as if he
    was a warrior (-1 per level). After all, he know can devote all his time
    to being a warrior instead of also serving a deity.

    When it comes to less warrior like priests, like Ruornil or Eloele, then
    I might take the same approach.

    Pieter Sleijpen

  6. #16
    Pieter Sleijpen
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    Forsaken Priests

    Pieter Sleijpen wrote:
    >
    > Trizt wrote:
    > >
    > > Jim Cooper wrote:
    > >
    > > > Thanks! We now have 1 arguement for: stays priest class without spells,
    > > > and yours for: they revert to their base class (well, 2 with my vote).
    > > >
    > > > Anyone else care to make their case? :)
    > >
    > > No where in may book says anything that a preist changes class (you
    > > don't get extra hitpoints, gett better to fight and so on only for you
    > > loose your faith). The priest will be a godless priest which means that
    > > all special powers and spells are lost untill the priest finds another
    > > god who are willing to grant spells.
    > >
    > > It's only paladins who losses their paladinhood and becomes fighters
    > > with no possibility to be a paladin once more (No magic can help here
    > > IMHO).
    >
    > Actually it does.
    >
    > But on an other level, if a priest of Belinik turns into a fighter of
    > two levels lower without a change into hit points or proficiencies that
    > would hardly change much. He had permission to use all weapons and
    > armor, even had something along weapon specialisation and so on. I would
    > not lower the THAC0 immidiatly, but let it change after that as if he
    > was a warrior (-1 per level). After all, he know can devote all his time
    > to being a warrior instead of also serving a deity.
    >
    > When it comes to less warrior like priests, like Ruornil or Eloele, then
    > I might take the same approach.

    Erm, I mean: an other approach...
    (stupid mistake :-( )

  7. #17
    Trizt
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    Forsaken Priests

    Pieter Sleijpen wrote:

    > But on an other level, if a priest of Belinik turns into a fighter of
    > two levels lower without a change into hit points or proficiencies that
    > would hardly change much. He had permission to use all weapons and
    > armor, even had something along weapon specialisation and so on. I would
    > not lower the THAC0 immidiatly, but let it change after that as if he
    > was a warrior (-1 per level). After all, he know can devote all his time
    > to being a warrior instead of also serving a deity.

    I could accetp a such rule, but IMHO the priest has taken his place in
    the multiverse as a priest and can't that change that if not
    dualclassing. If a player can't play a priest, then s/he should do a new
    level 1 character or dualclass to something else.

    //Trizt

  8. #18
    Jeff Dunnett
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    Forsaken Priests

    I think that priest once they lose their priesthood should stay
    priest. They should also be given the chance to repent and atone for
    their awful deeds, much in the same way that a paladin would.

    Jeff




    - ---Jim Cooper wrote:
    >
    > Pieter Sleijpen wrote:
    > > If the priest still does not behave properly, the priest will indeed
    > > turn into a warrior of half the level of the priest (I am not that
    sure on this half-bit though).<
    >
    > Thanks! We now have 1 arguement for: stays priest class without
    spells,
    > and yours for: they revert to their base class (well, 2 with my vote).
    >
    > Anyone else care to make their case? :)
    >
    > Cheers,
    > Darren
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