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02-10-1999, 01:23 AM #1Jim CooperGuest
Forsaken Priests
Hail low born swine!
Bow down and kiss my filthy boots, for you are in MY presense and I will
have your respect or else your heart on a platter!!!
I am Dmitri the Destroyer, son of Ivan Karenski, grandson of Sergei the
Cold!!! Chosen of Lord Belinik! Dmitr - who has drunk the blood of
thousands of lily-livered cowards, and who has killed his own father for
refusing to submit to punishment from his own son, Painmaster of
Belinik! ARRRGGGHHH!!!! GRRRRR!!!! Come get some, dogs of Brechtur!
:D
Greetings fellow BR fans! I have another question for you all:
What happens to a priest when they have lost favour with their
god(dess)? Paladins and rangers revert to the warrior class
forevermore, but what about priests? Same (they become fighters)?
I ask because one of my players is not acting at all like the way a
priest of Belinik should be acting (FMPOV, of course). So, in the next
session I am going to introduce "Dmitri the Destroyer" (the local priest
of Belinik in the province next door to the one my PCs just smashed), a
character I created for the specific purpose of teaching my players how
Vos should behave! (This is going to be so fun!!! :D Mwuhahahaaa!)
Moreover, I plan on making Dmitri the step-brother of said PC priest of
Belinik, a bullying older brother which should add a nice, personal
dimension to both characters.
Basically, my man Dmitri here is going to storm in and start running the
show, commanding their fear and respect (but I know he will receive
nothing but hatred from my players). The PCs, I hope, will realize that
they have to fight "fire with fire" (or, in this case, answer blood for
blood) in order to depose this brutal tyrant! HAH! Hopefully, in the
process, this character will inspire my PCs to get into their
characters, especially my PC priest of Belinik (who, so far, has been
thoroughly cowed and ass-whupped by the rest of the party
Disgracefull!!!)
Of course, this player has a second option - continue with his present
portrayal of a weak-willed priest of Belinik. But then I feel I have no
choice but to 1) kill him! (2) torture him and THEN kill him, or (3)
allow him to escape; but in so doing Belinik will of course have nothing
to do with him ever after. So this is my dilemna ... what will he
become when Belinik curses his worthless Vos hide? (warrior seems
obvious, so too with priests of Eloele reverting to rogue class, etc.)
Thanks for any help BR guys (wait - & Ms. Santer and Carrie, of course,
no offence!)! As always -
Cheers,
Darren (aka Dmitri the Destroyer)
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02-10-1999, 02:22 AM #2OlesensGuest
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Jim Cooper wrote:
> Of course, this player has a second option - continue with his present
> portrayal of a weak-willed priest of Belinik. But then I feel I have no
> choice but to 1) kill him! (2) torture him and THEN kill him, or (3)
> allow him to escape; but in so doing Belinik will of course have nothing
> to do with him ever after. So this is my dilemna ... what will he
> become when Belinik curses his worthless Vos hide? (warrior seems
> obvious, so too with priests of Eloele reverting to rogue class, etc.)
Well, as I recall, priests who are unfaithful first lose access to minor
spheres, they if they really piss of their god they lose all spells. I'd
assume the same goes for forsaken priests. They'd keep all their mundane
abilities (Erik's tracking, MS/HiS; Eloele's thieving skills; Haelyn's weapon
attacks, etc.) but wouldn't get any special ones (like the ability to cast
certain spells 1/day) or any spells. They would keep advancing in mundane
abilities (Erik priest ranger abilities, Haelyn priest +1 with weapon of choice
at some higher level). In effect, they'd be priests without magic. When
giving their class IC, I'd assume that they would call themselves by whatever
they were closest to (benelik - fighter, Eloele - thief, Laraeme - bard, etc.)
I'd also assume that they'd get a bad reputation among the Vos (same goes for
Haelyn priests among faithful Anuireans, etc.) which means reaction penalties
from those who recognize them.
- -Andrew
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02-10-1999, 11:10 AM #3Pieter SleijpenGuest
Forsaken Priests
Jim Cooper wrote:
> Of course, this player has a second option - continue with his present
> portrayal of a weak-willed priest of Belinik. But then I feel I have no
> choice but to 1) kill him! (2) torture him and THEN kill him, or (3)
> allow him to escape; but in so doing Belinik will of course have nothing
> to do with him ever after. So this is my dilemna ... what will he
> become when Belinik curses his worthless Vos hide? (warrior seems
> obvious, so too with priests of Eloele reverting to rogue class, etc.)
Most of the time the deity in question gives the character a fair
warning by indeed removing the spell abilities or some of the granted
powers. For example, a paladin PC of Avani had made so many promises
that he could not fullfill them all. The first warning was a minor cold,
the second was the removal of spells and earning half experience.
Belinik would be a little harsher in his warnings, like removing the
spells from the priest in the middle of combat on a time he most needs
it. The priest can then regain his spell abilities after an atonement by
starting to behave properly and by full filling some quest. He will be
carefully monitored during the quest. If it is a quest to steal an item
from someone, Belinik will not like it if his priest negotiates for it.
Unless it is from a position of strength after having scared out the
wits of the current owner.
If the priest still does not behave properly, the priest will indeed
turn into a warrior of half the level of the priest (I am not that sure
on this half-bit though). Taking a look at several of the speciality
priests, I think you are right in your assessment that priests of Eloele
probabbly will become rogues of half his current level. Other then that,
they will even loose mundane abilities, like moving silently, tracking,
etc. You might want to give immidiatly these priests proficiencies like
camouflage, ambush and tracking and force them to spend the proficiency
slots on these when they get the slots.
If this happens, I would say that the newly formed warrior would be
banished from Vos society. Shunned by all, with the only way of
regaining his honor by dying bravely on the battlefield. He might even
be made a slave. I think that the Vos would concider death (even by
torture) to much honor for such a person.
Pieter Sleijpen
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> What happens to a priest when they have lost favour with their
> god(dess)? Paladins and rangers revert to the warrior class
> forevermore, but what about priests? Same (they become fighters)?
They get temporarily stripped of all powers (spells and granted powers in
particular) but can be reinstated. REPENT!! - that's what I'm talkin
about... :)
Whatever the case, priests definitely do _not_ convert to another class.
Anyways, a good divine curse also goes a long way. Maybe Belinik can
curse that unruly priest to appear as everyone's worst enemy - that should
give him some work experience...
- the Falcon
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02-10-1999, 03:08 PM #5
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> Most of the time the deity in question gives the character a fair
> warning by indeed removing the spell abilities or some of the granted
> powers. For example, a paladin PC of Avani had made so many promises
> that he could not fullfill them all. The first warning was a minor cold,
> the second was the removal of spells and earning half experience.
> Belinik would be a little harsher in his warnings, like removing the
> spells from the priest in the middle of combat on a time he most needs
> it. The priest can then regain his spell abilities after an atonement by
> starting to behave properly and by full filling some quest. He will be
> carefully monitored during the quest. If it is a quest to steal an item
> from someone, Belinik will not like it if his priest negotiates for it.
One thing I just _have_ to add here: Evil gods are not only a little
harsher on their own worshippers, they are also a little harsher on anyone
who might oppose them...
Just as an aside...
> If the priest still does not behave properly, the priest will indeed
> turn into a warrior of half the level of the priest (I am not that sure
> on this half-bit though). Taking a look at several of the speciality
> priests, I think you are right in your assessment that priests of Eloele
> probabbly will become rogues of half his current level. Other then that,
> they will even loose mundane abilities, like moving silently, tracking,
> etc. You might want to give immidiatly these priests proficiencies like
> camouflage, ambush and tracking and force them to spend the proficiency
> slots on these when they get the slots.
No way! The priest chose to be a priest and his choice is for life. Does
being a priest not mean utter and total devotion to your god? Do you
honestly believe that after not livin up to the promises you made to
Belinik, he'll just let you get away with bein a simple warrior? No sir!
Thrice no! He will punish you and he will keep on punishin until you
humbly return to his fold in a way he deems suitable. For all will bow to
Belinik! Such is the way of the Lord of Strife and as such it will
happen. Woe upon his enemies and woe upon those who betray him...
That's the way I look it at it, anyways... :)
- the Falcon
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02-10-1999, 08:56 PM #6Jim CooperGuest
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Pieter Sleijpen wrote:
> If the priest still does not behave properly, the priest will indeed
> turn into a warrior of half the level of the priest (I am not that sure on this half-bit though).<
Thanks! We now have 1 arguement for: stays priest class without spells,
and yours for: they revert to their base class (well, 2 with my vote).
Anyone else care to make their case? :)
Cheers,
Darren
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02-10-1999, 09:29 PM #7Kenneth GauckGuest
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>Anyone else care to make their case? :)
I don't think that forsaken priests would get the special advantages of the
new class, fighters and weapons specialization, excellent THAC0 progression,
HD, and so on; thieves the skills, and so forth.
Kenneth Gauck
c558382@earthlink.net
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02-10-1999, 09:59 PM #8Jim CooperGuest
Forsaken Priests
the Falcon wrote:
> Anyways, a good divine curse also goes a long way. Maybe Belinik can
> curse that unruly priest to appear as everyone's worst enemy - that should give him some work experience...<
ROTFL!
Heh. That's more like it! Thanks Comrade! I will keep this in mind
...
heheheheeheheee
Cheers,
Darren
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02-10-1999, 10:06 PM #9Jim CooperGuest
Forsaken Priests
the Falcon wrote:
> No way! The priest chose to be a priest and his choice is for life. Does being a priest not mean utter and total devotion to your god? Do you honestly believe that after not livin up to the promises you made to
> Belinik, he'll just let you get away with bein a simple warrior? No sir! Thrice no! He will punish you and he will keep on punishin until you humbly return to his fold in a way he deems suitable. For all will bow to Belinik! Such is the way of the Lord of Strife and as such it will happen. Woe upon his enemies and woe upon those who betray him...
>
> That's the way I look it at it, anyways... :)<
Damn - this is good. I'm being to be swayed now ... Hmmm ... Good
point cowboy! But would Belinik really give someone a second chance?!?
Cheers,
Darren
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02-10-1999, 10:22 PM #10Jim CooperGuest
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Kenneth Gauck wrote:
> I don't think that forsaken priests would get the special advantages of the new class, fighters and weapons specialization, excellent THAC0 progression, HD, and so on; thieves the skills, and so forth.<
But otherwise they advance just as a regular warrior or rogue would? Or
are you saying that they remain priests, but without the spells?
Cheers,
Darren
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