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  1. #1
    Jim Cooper
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    Hail low born swine!

    Bow down and kiss my filthy boots, for you are in MY presense and I will
    have your respect or else your heart on a platter!!!

    I am Dmitri the Destroyer, son of Ivan Karenski, grandson of Sergei the
    Cold!!! Chosen of Lord Belinik! Dmitr - who has drunk the blood of
    thousands of lily-livered cowards, and who has killed his own father for
    refusing to submit to punishment from his own son, Painmaster of
    Belinik! ARRRGGGHHH!!!! GRRRRR!!!! Come get some, dogs of Brechtur!

    :D

    Greetings fellow BR fans! I have another question for you all:

    What happens to a priest when they have lost favour with their
    god(dess)? Paladins and rangers revert to the warrior class
    forevermore, but what about priests? Same (they become fighters)?

    I ask because one of my players is not acting at all like the way a
    priest of Belinik should be acting (FMPOV, of course). So, in the next
    session I am going to introduce "Dmitri the Destroyer" (the local priest
    of Belinik in the province next door to the one my PCs just smashed), a
    character I created for the specific purpose of teaching my players how
    Vos should behave! (This is going to be so fun!!! :D Mwuhahahaaa!)
    Moreover, I plan on making Dmitri the step-brother of said PC priest of
    Belinik, a bullying older brother which should add a nice, personal
    dimension to both characters.

    Basically, my man Dmitri here is going to storm in and start running the
    show, commanding their fear and respect (but I know he will receive
    nothing but hatred from my players). The PCs, I hope, will realize that
    they have to fight "fire with fire" (or, in this case, answer blood for
    blood) in order to depose this brutal tyrant! HAH! Hopefully, in the
    process, this character will inspire my PCs to get into their
    characters, especially my PC priest of Belinik (who, so far, has been
    thoroughly cowed and ass-whupped by the rest of the party
    Disgracefull!!!)

    Of course, this player has a second option - continue with his present
    portrayal of a weak-willed priest of Belinik. But then I feel I have no
    choice but to 1) kill him! (2) torture him and THEN kill him, or (3)
    allow him to escape; but in so doing Belinik will of course have nothing
    to do with him ever after. So this is my dilemna ... what will he
    become when Belinik curses his worthless Vos hide? (warrior seems
    obvious, so too with priests of Eloele reverting to rogue class, etc.)

    Thanks for any help BR guys (wait - & Ms. Santer and Carrie, of course,
    no offence!)! As always -

    Cheers,
    Darren (aka Dmitri the Destroyer)

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    Olesens
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    Forsaken Priests

    Jim Cooper wrote:

    > Of course, this player has a second option - continue with his present
    > portrayal of a weak-willed priest of Belinik. But then I feel I have no
    > choice but to 1) kill him! (2) torture him and THEN kill him, or (3)
    > allow him to escape; but in so doing Belinik will of course have nothing
    > to do with him ever after. So this is my dilemna ... what will he
    > become when Belinik curses his worthless Vos hide? (warrior seems
    > obvious, so too with priests of Eloele reverting to rogue class, etc.)

    Well, as I recall, priests who are unfaithful first lose access to minor
    spheres, they if they really piss of their god they lose all spells. I'd
    assume the same goes for forsaken priests. They'd keep all their mundane
    abilities (Erik's tracking, MS/HiS; Eloele's thieving skills; Haelyn's weapon
    attacks, etc.) but wouldn't get any special ones (like the ability to cast
    certain spells 1/day) or any spells. They would keep advancing in mundane
    abilities (Erik priest ranger abilities, Haelyn priest +1 with weapon of choice
    at some higher level). In effect, they'd be priests without magic. When
    giving their class IC, I'd assume that they would call themselves by whatever
    they were closest to (benelik - fighter, Eloele - thief, Laraeme - bard, etc.)
    I'd also assume that they'd get a bad reputation among the Vos (same goes for
    Haelyn priests among faithful Anuireans, etc.) which means reaction penalties
    from those who recognize them.

    - -Andrew

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    Pieter Sleijpen
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    Forsaken Priests

    Jim Cooper wrote:



    > Of course, this player has a second option - continue with his present
    > portrayal of a weak-willed priest of Belinik. But then I feel I have no
    > choice but to 1) kill him! (2) torture him and THEN kill him, or (3)
    > allow him to escape; but in so doing Belinik will of course have nothing
    > to do with him ever after. So this is my dilemna ... what will he
    > become when Belinik curses his worthless Vos hide? (warrior seems
    > obvious, so too with priests of Eloele reverting to rogue class, etc.)

    Most of the time the deity in question gives the character a fair
    warning by indeed removing the spell abilities or some of the granted
    powers. For example, a paladin PC of Avani had made so many promises
    that he could not fullfill them all. The first warning was a minor cold,
    the second was the removal of spells and earning half experience.
    Belinik would be a little harsher in his warnings, like removing the
    spells from the priest in the middle of combat on a time he most needs
    it. The priest can then regain his spell abilities after an atonement by
    starting to behave properly and by full filling some quest. He will be
    carefully monitored during the quest. If it is a quest to steal an item
    from someone, Belinik will not like it if his priest negotiates for it.
    Unless it is from a position of strength after having scared out the
    wits of the current owner.

    If the priest still does not behave properly, the priest will indeed
    turn into a warrior of half the level of the priest (I am not that sure
    on this half-bit though). Taking a look at several of the speciality
    priests, I think you are right in your assessment that priests of Eloele
    probabbly will become rogues of half his current level. Other then that,
    they will even loose mundane abilities, like moving silently, tracking,
    etc. You might want to give immidiatly these priests proficiencies like
    camouflage, ambush and tracking and force them to spend the proficiency
    slots on these when they get the slots.

    If this happens, I would say that the newly formed warrior would be
    banished from Vos society. Shunned by all, with the only way of
    regaining his honor by dying bravely on the battlefield. He might even
    be made a slave. I think that the Vos would concider death (even by
    torture) to much honor for such a person.

    Pieter Sleijpen

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    > What happens to a priest when they have lost favour with their
    > god(dess)? Paladins and rangers revert to the warrior class
    > forevermore, but what about priests? Same (they become fighters)?

    They get temporarily stripped of all powers (spells and granted powers in
    particular) but can be reinstated. REPENT!! - that's what I'm talkin
    about... :)

    Whatever the case, priests definitely do _not_ convert to another class.

    Anyways, a good divine curse also goes a long way. Maybe Belinik can
    curse that unruly priest to appear as everyone's worst enemy - that should
    give him some work experience...

    - the Falcon

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    > Most of the time the deity in question gives the character a fair
    > warning by indeed removing the spell abilities or some of the granted
    > powers. For example, a paladin PC of Avani had made so many promises
    > that he could not fullfill them all. The first warning was a minor cold,
    > the second was the removal of spells and earning half experience.
    > Belinik would be a little harsher in his warnings, like removing the
    > spells from the priest in the middle of combat on a time he most needs
    > it. The priest can then regain his spell abilities after an atonement by
    > starting to behave properly and by full filling some quest. He will be
    > carefully monitored during the quest. If it is a quest to steal an item
    > from someone, Belinik will not like it if his priest negotiates for it.

    One thing I just _have_ to add here: Evil gods are not only a little
    harsher on their own worshippers, they are also a little harsher on anyone
    who might oppose them...

    Just as an aside...

    > If the priest still does not behave properly, the priest will indeed
    > turn into a warrior of half the level of the priest (I am not that sure
    > on this half-bit though). Taking a look at several of the speciality
    > priests, I think you are right in your assessment that priests of Eloele
    > probabbly will become rogues of half his current level. Other then that,
    > they will even loose mundane abilities, like moving silently, tracking,
    > etc. You might want to give immidiatly these priests proficiencies like
    > camouflage, ambush and tracking and force them to spend the proficiency
    > slots on these when they get the slots.

    No way! The priest chose to be a priest and his choice is for life. Does
    being a priest not mean utter and total devotion to your god? Do you
    honestly believe that after not livin up to the promises you made to
    Belinik, he'll just let you get away with bein a simple warrior? No sir!
    Thrice no! He will punish you and he will keep on punishin until you
    humbly return to his fold in a way he deems suitable. For all will bow to
    Belinik! Such is the way of the Lord of Strife and as such it will
    happen. Woe upon his enemies and woe upon those who betray him...

    That's the way I look it at it, anyways... :)

    - the Falcon

  6. #6
    Jim Cooper
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    Forsaken Priests

    Pieter Sleijpen wrote:
    > If the priest still does not behave properly, the priest will indeed
    > turn into a warrior of half the level of the priest (I am not that sure on this half-bit though).<

    Thanks! We now have 1 arguement for: stays priest class without spells,
    and yours for: they revert to their base class (well, 2 with my vote).

    Anyone else care to make their case? :)

    Cheers,
    Darren

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    Kenneth Gauck
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    Forsaken Priests

    >Anyone else care to make their case? :)

    I don't think that forsaken priests would get the special advantages of the
    new class, fighters and weapons specialization, excellent THAC0 progression,
    HD, and so on; thieves the skills, and so forth.

    Kenneth Gauck
    c558382@earthlink.net

  8. #8
    Jim Cooper
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    Forsaken Priests

    the Falcon wrote:
    > Anyways, a good divine curse also goes a long way. Maybe Belinik can
    > curse that unruly priest to appear as everyone's worst enemy - that should give him some work experience...<

    ROTFL!

    Heh. That's more like it! Thanks Comrade! I will keep this in mind
    ...

    heheheheeheheee

    Cheers,
    Darren

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    Jim Cooper
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    Forsaken Priests

    the Falcon wrote:
    > No way! The priest chose to be a priest and his choice is for life. Does being a priest not mean utter and total devotion to your god? Do you honestly believe that after not livin up to the promises you made to
    > Belinik, he'll just let you get away with bein a simple warrior? No sir! Thrice no! He will punish you and he will keep on punishin until you humbly return to his fold in a way he deems suitable. For all will bow to Belinik! Such is the way of the Lord of Strife and as such it will happen. Woe upon his enemies and woe upon those who betray him...
    >
    > That's the way I look it at it, anyways... :)<

    Damn - this is good. I'm being to be swayed now ... Hmmm ... Good
    point cowboy! But would Belinik really give someone a second chance?!?

    Cheers,
    Darren

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    Jim Cooper
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    Forsaken Priests

    Kenneth Gauck wrote:
    > I don't think that forsaken priests would get the special advantages of the new class, fighters and weapons specialization, excellent THAC0 progression, HD, and so on; thieves the skills, and so forth.<

    But otherwise they advance just as a regular warrior or rogue would? Or
    are you saying that they remain priests, but without the spells?

    Cheers,
    Darren

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