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01-28-1999, 01:24 PM #11BinagranGuest
Realm spells and lieutenants
Pieter Sleijpen wrote:
> P.S. Since you could concider bards magicians (except that they can cast
> enchantment/charm spells also), would they be able to cast battle
> spells? I know that rangers and paladins can not cast battle spells, so
> bards probably also can not cast them. But what are your thoughts on
> this subject?
Why can't rangers or paladins cast battle spells when they're of a high enough
level?
As for bards, I would allow them to cast battle spells. If a magician can cast
a battle spell, then why can't a bard. Their spells are the same (except for
when they sing their ancient elven songs of enchantment/charm, which I suspect
may require the singing proficiency, and perhaps even a musical instrument;
like "spellsinging") and their casting level is the same (unlike a ranger and a
paladins).
Binagran
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01-28-1999, 03:20 PM #12
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> Okay, but then the regent of, for example, Ariya (a paladin) gets the shaft since he can't cast realm spells himself and couldn't use his louies to cast them either...
So? A paladin gets regency from provinces _and_ law holdings _and_
temples. That would seem quite enough of an advantage. If he wants to
cast realm spell, he should've studied to be a priest. Tough luck.
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01-28-1999, 04:18 PM #13
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> (except for
> when they sing their ancient elven songs of enchantment/charm, which I suspect
> may require the singing proficiency, and perhaps even a musical instrument;
> like "spellsinging")
Since bards get singing and musical instrument proficiency for free, that
shouldn't pose too much of a problem. :)
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01-28-1999, 07:28 PM #14
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>But he could make a Lieutenant into a Vassal.
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Well, what sort of situation would that be, if the Prince-paladin doesn't control his own temple? And then there are some really oddball regents, like Tihara min Buseri of the Shield of Halaïa (who is a *fighter*, or all things)...
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01-28-1999, 08:50 PM #15Jim CooperGuest
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Pieter Sleijpen wrote:
> P.S. Since you could concider bards magicians (except that they can cast enchantment/charm spells also), would they be able to cast battle
> spells? I know that rangers and paladins can not cast battle spells, so bards probably also can not cast them. But what are your thoughts on
> this subject?<
As the DM, I wouldn't allow bards realm spells either, because they are
supposed to remain neutral/apart from the normal affairs of rulership.
More importantly, they are mostly concerned with only a very special
group of people, the handful of regents in Cerilia (or I would perhaps
extent this to the blooded) as so precludes the need for knowledge about
domain-wide affecting spells. For example: A bard is upset with a
regent for whatever reason: they cast lampoon on the regent and make
certain appendiges grow leperous and non-functional over time. :D They
wouldn't bother with making the entire population suffer for whatever
fault(s) their unfortunate regent possessed.
Cheers,
Darren (If I lived in the Middle Ages, I would be a bard!)
(I probably would have a very short career too ...)
:D
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01-28-1999, 09:23 PM #16Jim CooperGuest
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the Falcon wrote:
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> > Okay, but then the regent of, for example, Ariya (a paladin) gets the shaft since he can't cast realm spells himself and couldn't use his louies to cast them either...
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> So? A paladin gets regency from provinces _and_ law holdings _and_
> temples. That would seem quite enough of an advantage. If he wants to cast realm spell, he should've studied to be a priest. Tough luck.<
Here, here! One of my favorite strategies is to make the PC regent of
Talinie a paladin and see him squirm ... Mwuhahahaa. :)
Indeed, this is one aspect of BR that I found most satisfying from TSR -
a willingness to show that not everything has to be cut and dry, by the
book to a player's wishes ... I am a firm believer in making players
work like dogs to accomplish their heroism! And having NPC's face the
same pitfalls just seems proper!
Cheers,
Darren
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01-29-1999, 01:17 PM #17
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> Well, what sort of situation would that be, if the Prince-paladin doesn't control his own temple? And then there are some really oddball regents, like Tihara min Buseri of the Shield of Halaïa (who is a *fighter*, or all things)...
So? There's no rule against fighters or even wizards or thieves or
bards or whatnots controlling temples.
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01-29-1999, 01:26 PM #18Jeff DunnettGuest
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But remeber Paladins only get have regency from law and temple holding
don't they.
Jeff
- ---the Falcon wrote:
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> > Okay, but then the regent of, for example, Ariya (a paladin) gets
the shaft since he can't cast realm spells himself and couldn't use
his louies to cast them either...
>
> So? A paladin gets regency from provinces _and_ law holdings _and_
> temples. That would seem quite enough of an advantage. If he wants
to
> cast realm spell, he should've studied to be a priest. Tough luck.
>
> - the Falcon
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01-29-1999, 03:05 PM #19Kai BesteGuest
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> But remeber Paladins only get have regency from law and temple holding
> don't they.
Full regency from both law and temple holdings.
laters
Kai
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01-29-1999, 03:57 PM #20DKEvermore@aol.coGuest
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In a message dated 1/29/99 9:02:38 AM Central Standard Time,
BESTE@jerry.iued.uni-heidelberg.de writes:
> > But remeber Paladins only get have regency from law and temple holding
> > don't they.
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> Full regency from both law and temple holdings.
>
> laters
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> Kai
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and of course province holdings...
- -DKE
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