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    Binagran
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    Realm spells and lieutenants

    Pieter Sleijpen wrote:

    > P.S. Since you could concider bards magicians (except that they can cast
    > enchantment/charm spells also), would they be able to cast battle
    > spells? I know that rangers and paladins can not cast battle spells, so
    > bards probably also can not cast them. But what are your thoughts on
    > this subject?

    Why can't rangers or paladins cast battle spells when they're of a high enough
    level?

    As for bards, I would allow them to cast battle spells. If a magician can cast
    a battle spell, then why can't a bard. Their spells are the same (except for
    when they sing their ancient elven songs of enchantment/charm, which I suspect
    may require the singing proficiency, and perhaps even a musical instrument;
    like "spellsinging") and their casting level is the same (unlike a ranger and a
    paladins).

    Binagran

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    > Okay, but then the regent of, for example, Ariya (a paladin) gets the shaft since he can't cast realm spells himself and couldn't use his louies to cast them either...

    So? A paladin gets regency from provinces _and_ law holdings _and_
    temples. That would seem quite enough of an advantage. If he wants to
    cast realm spell, he should've studied to be a priest. Tough luck.

    - the Falcon

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    Realm spells and lieutenants

    > (except for
    > when they sing their ancient elven songs of enchantment/charm, which I suspect
    > may require the singing proficiency, and perhaps even a musical instrument;
    > like "spellsinging")

    Since bards get singing and musical instrument proficiency for free, that
    shouldn't pose too much of a problem. :)

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    >But he could make a Lieutenant into a Vassal.
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    Well, what sort of situation would that be, if the Prince-paladin doesn't control his own temple? And then there are some really oddball regents, like Tihara min Buseri of the Shield of Halaïa (who is a *fighter*, or all things)...

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    Pieter Sleijpen wrote:
    > P.S. Since you could concider bards magicians (except that they can cast enchantment/charm spells also), would they be able to cast battle
    > spells? I know that rangers and paladins can not cast battle spells, so bards probably also can not cast them. But what are your thoughts on
    > this subject?<

    As the DM, I wouldn't allow bards realm spells either, because they are
    supposed to remain neutral/apart from the normal affairs of rulership.
    More importantly, they are mostly concerned with only a very special
    group of people, the handful of regents in Cerilia (or I would perhaps
    extent this to the blooded) as so precludes the need for knowledge about
    domain-wide affecting spells. For example: A bard is upset with a
    regent for whatever reason: they cast lampoon on the regent and make
    certain appendiges grow leperous and non-functional over time. :D They
    wouldn't bother with making the entire population suffer for whatever
    fault(s) their unfortunate regent possessed.

    Cheers,
    Darren (If I lived in the Middle Ages, I would be a bard!)
    (I probably would have a very short career too ...)
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    Jim Cooper
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    Realm spells and lieutenants

    the Falcon wrote:
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    > > Okay, but then the regent of, for example, Ariya (a paladin) gets the shaft since he can't cast realm spells himself and couldn't use his louies to cast them either...
    >
    > So? A paladin gets regency from provinces _and_ law holdings _and_
    > temples. That would seem quite enough of an advantage. If he wants to cast realm spell, he should've studied to be a priest. Tough luck.<

    Here, here! One of my favorite strategies is to make the PC regent of
    Talinie a paladin and see him squirm ... Mwuhahahaa. :)

    Indeed, this is one aspect of BR that I found most satisfying from TSR -
    a willingness to show that not everything has to be cut and dry, by the
    book to a player's wishes ... I am a firm believer in making players
    work like dogs to accomplish their heroism! And having NPC's face the
    same pitfalls just seems proper!

    Cheers,
    Darren

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    Realm spells and lieutenants

    > Well, what sort of situation would that be, if the Prince-paladin doesn't control his own temple? And then there are some really oddball regents, like Tihara min Buseri of the Shield of Halaïa (who is a *fighter*, or all things)...

    So? There's no rule against fighters or even wizards or thieves or
    bards or whatnots controlling temples.

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    But remeber Paladins only get have regency from law and temple holding
    don't they.

    Jeff




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    > > Okay, but then the regent of, for example, Ariya (a paladin) gets
    the shaft since he can't cast realm spells himself and couldn't use
    his louies to cast them either...
    >
    > So? A paladin gets regency from provinces _and_ law holdings _and_
    > temples. That would seem quite enough of an advantage. If he wants
    to
    > cast realm spell, he should've studied to be a priest. Tough luck.
    >
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    Kai Beste
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    Realm spells and lieutenants

    > But remeber Paladins only get have regency from law and temple holding
    > don't they.

    Full regency from both law and temple holdings.

    laters

    Kai

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    Realm spells and lieutenants

    In a message dated 1/29/99 9:02:38 AM Central Standard Time,
    BESTE@jerry.iued.uni-heidelberg.de writes:

    > > But remeber Paladins only get have regency from law and temple holding
    > > don't they.
    >
    > Full regency from both law and temple holdings.
    >
    > laters
    >
    > Kai
    >
    and of course province holdings...
    - -DKE

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