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  1. #11
    Jim Cooper
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    Jeremy Baker wrote:
    > Where did you get these figures from? (They seem quite precise for them to be random.) And what do you mean exactly by 'bloodpower' and
    > 'bloodstrength', are you refering to bloodline power of regents in the same way? ie. The Gorgon and Micheal Roele are/were demi-gods by this system.<

    The worst place - my head! ;D And yes, you got the second part right,
    too - I figure that the power of the gods and the divine blood in
    mortals is exactly the same; the only difference being, of course, that
    the gods got a lot more of it (in the neighbourhood, I've decided,
    around 1500 points).

    Its the only way I figure will explain people like The Serpent, Azrai
    (ala Cold Rider), without added a pletheora of new Cerilian powers.

    Does anyone have a different view?

    Cheers,
    Darren

  2. #12
    Pieter Sleijpen
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    I am one of those people that likes the TSR line, that powers of the
    Gods come from their worshippers. I also believe that the actions are
    also some form of devotion (I use the piety system from an article from
    the Dragon magazine) and indeed that caranage strengthens Belinik, even
    when done by a worshipper of Haelyn. In Greatheart it is suggested that
    Azrai was so strong, because the fear and hatred of the people on the
    battle of Deismar strengthened him. These emotions would have been in
    his sphere of influence, suggesting that TSR also thinks along these
    lines (or at least the writer of Greatheart).

    Several of the discussions on this mailing list, also made me believe
    that temple holdings do not nessecary reflect faith of the people. But
    more there material power over the people. Avani might have les holdings
    then Haelyn, but she is actually worshiped in every other culture.
    Something Erik can not say (the Khinasi never heard of him, even not as
    the husband of Avani, Rilni has got his portofolio in this area). Kirche
    is very structured faith, because it is militaristic and because nobles
    tend to worship him. No farmer, trader or craftsman is going to worship
    Kirche, except to keep him as far away as possible!

    The idea that the childeren of the deities would have reduced the power
    of their parents does not fit in the bloodline thinking. Blooded
    characters do not loose bloodpoints if they get childeren, so why should
    deities? The original reason these people became gods, might have been
    because of the bloodline, but worship is in my opinion more important.
    It will be easier though to ascend to godhood for high blooded
    characters. Normaly a god-patron is needed for the assension, now this
    is not required.

    Pieter Sleijpen

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    > If anyone wants it, and if I can find the time to actually sit down
    > and type it out, I will post it here.

    Yes, do post it.

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    > I am one of those people that likes the TSR line, that powers of the
    > Gods come from their worshippers. I also believe that the actions are
    > also some form of devotion (I use the piety system from an article from
    > the Dragon magazine) and indeed that caranage strengthens Belinik, even
    > when done by a worshipper of Haelyn. In Greatheart it is suggested that
    > Azrai was so strong, because the fear and hatred of the people on the
    > battle of Deismar strengthened him. These emotions would have been in
    > his sphere of influence, suggesting that TSR also thinks along these
    > lines (or at least the writer of Greatheart).

    And don't forget offerings and sacrifices. Surely these give the deities
    power as well. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense. Why try to appease a
    god with an offering when it doesn't do him any good anyways. Of course,
    the offering in question must be of right type - you wouldn't want to
    offend the god by doing something that's against everything what he stands
    for. In the same light, you can dedicate an upcoming major battle to
    Haelyn and just hope that god will smile upon you because of the little
    shred of power you just gave him. Or you can call it a wholesale
    slaughter and dedicate it to Belinik - it just depends on what kinda of
    person you are.

    - the Falcon

  5. #15
    Victor Vogt
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    Yes, I no! Other than I just made a complete fool of myself to e-mail the
    wrong board. I also did it in a combined e-mail. It wasn't the BR list it
    was the either the Alternity or the Stardrive lists. I don't remember
    which. I do apologize once again. ~sigh~

    VV

    - -----Original Message-----
    From: Jim Cooper
    To: birthright@MPGN.COM
    Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 6:09 PM
    Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Powers


    >Victor Vogt wrote:
    >> Come on people lets talk about the game. What is this
    >> [Fluff] everybody seems to be filling up the message boards with?<
    >
    >What do you mean by fluff? I haven't seen any frivolous posts on this
    >list ...
    >
    >Cheers,
    >Darren
    >
    >
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    >>'unsubscribe birthright' as the body of the message.
    >

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    Jim Cooper
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    Pieter Sleijpen wrote:
    > The idea that the childeren of the deities would have reduced the power of their parents does not fit in the bloodline thinking. Blooded
    > characters do not loose bloodpoints if they get childeren, so why should deities? The original reason these people became gods, might have been because of the bloodline, but worship is in my opinion more important. It will be easier though to ascend to godhood for high blooded characters. Normaly a god-patron is needed for the assension, now this is not required.<

    Indeed, just as mortal regents, gods would be nothing but ultra powerful
    essences without worshippers (holdings). In a way, however, it does fit
    in with the bloodline thinking. Apparently, according to the rules,
    children get an average of their parents bloodline scores. Considering
    that the source of bloodpower resides mostly within the existing gods,
    where else would it come from? I don't think Aebrynis just creates
    bloodpower outta thin air - hence, it had to come from somewhere and, to
    my reasoning, the gods gave a portion of themselves to create a new
    entity seems highly appropriate. The only other thing is that they
    would have to rip it outta a few tens of thousands of mortals - not
    exactly a 'good' act. If gods can come into existence just by the
    number of worshippers that believe in them, then that undercuts the
    whole BR milieu.

    You know what bothers me the most? JUST WHY THE HECK DON'T KRIESHA AND
    BELINIK HAVE ANY CHILDREN?!?!? What's up with that, Ed? Why? WHY?!?
    I just can't figure out the reasoning behind this!!!!! ARRGGGHHH!

    Sorry. Its been bottled up inside me so long, I just had to let
    it out ...

    But your also right, and hit the nail on the head on something that has
    been bothering me for a long time - just how is bloodpower propagated?
    I haven't satisfactorily answered why children don't take a part of
    their parents' essences when they are born. Does bloodpower multiply
    over time? I have always held to the firm belief that bloodpower is a
    _finite_ quantity within Aebrynis - and thanks to Tim "the Studly Man"
    Nutting, and my newfound enlightenment, I now reason that children -
    indeed, ALL blooded people - in fact receive their bloodpower from the
    (limited) wellsprings that reside within Aebrynis itself.

    Its a good DM ruling, that. Allows me to mess with my players even
    more! MwuHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAAAA! Whose to say you got your father's or
    mother's good bloodline and not Azrai's ....

    Cheers,
    Darren :D

  7. #17
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    the Falcon wrote:
    > And don't forget offerings and sacrifices. Surely these give the deities power as well. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense. Why try to appease a god with an offering when it doesn't do him any good anyways.<

    Who is to say that anything the gods demand of their worshippers really
    is necessary? What if its all one big lie, the one certainty being that
    the New Gods know, without a doubt, that if no one believes in them,
    they risk an eternity of loneliness and solitude? Yet, make them
    believe in a lie, and they will hold it as the One Truth, willing to die
    for you, for The Truth. (Can anyone tell I watch the X-Files?) Doesn't
    this sound familiar? Organized religion has been making us believe for
    many, many millenia ...

    IMBR world, the gods aren't all that noble - in fact, they are just as
    human as any other mortal that worships them ... and have exactly the
    same wants, desires, and need for companionship as any other person.
    (Haelyn: "Yea, yea, but Nesirie is ALWAYS mopping around! I wouldn't
    mind at least a chat every ONCE in a while ..." Man, all we did was
    just that once! I gotta start cruising Aebrynis ...") :D

    Can anyone say Zeus & Hercules, or even good 'ol studly Jupiter?!? :D
    Thats exactly how I picture Cuiraecen and Haelyn ... Father and son,
    looking for some nice mortal ***!

    (Okay - I got a little carried away ...)

    Cheers,
    Darren

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    > You know what bothers me the most? JUST WHY THE HECK DON'T KRIESHA AND
    > BELINIK HAVE ANY CHILDREN?!?!? What's up with that, Ed? Why? WHY?!?
    > I just can't figure out the reasoning behind this!!!!! ARRGGGHHH!

    Perhaps they just don't like to share? :)

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    > Who is to say that anything the gods demand of their worshippers really
    > is necessary? What if its all one big lie, the one certainty being that

    Of course, there have always been gods around who made their followers do
    things completely unnecessary. However, those gods seem to have a marked
    tendency of either never increasing in power, or already being
    all-powerful (or at least thinking they are). If you're a smart (and
    sane) god, you'll let your followers do things that are good for you and
    discourage them from doing otherwise.

    - the Falcon


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  10. #20
    Jim Cooper
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    the Falcon wrote:
    > Perhaps they just don't like to share? :) <

    Heh. Point, but I always thought they would just TAKE from each other -
    a piece here, a piece there, no big deal! :D (Actually, I can't shake
    the feeling that Belinik really is just a coward at heart, and Kriesha
    would be the dominant partner in this 'relationship' ...)



    Cheers,
    I better not put my name to this one (I'm getting bad, aren't I?)

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