Why experience for Regents?

[DKEvermore@aol.co]

I've never understood why people would, outside a pbem game, give regents
experience for their actions. Perhaps someone can give me some good reasons
other than, "They should be rewarded for spending time doing regent stuff."

Regents should not have special experience (that non-regents could not get!)
because:

1) Regents get money. LOTS of money.
2) Regents get stuff. Practically anything they want, except for outright
powerful magic items.
3) Regents get all the followers, hangers on and yes men they could possibly
want, and then some.
4) Regents can hire and lead an entire army. They don't have to "earn" this,
the get this. For being regents and having money.

Lavishing experience on top of all this, in my view and in my experience,
creates a sadly lopsided game. Non-regents get what? Nothing they don't
work hard for and earn for themselves. If anything, non-regents should be
getting extra experience.

- -Dustin Evermore

[mmacgregor@statestreet.c]

I agree wholeheartedly. Sometimes it is tough enough to keep the PC's
in balance with each other in a "regular" campaign. When one or two
PC's wield all the power-it makes for an uneasy party at best. Forget
about the little bonuses that only they, as regents, would get-it can
only cause problems in the end.


>Lavishing experience on top of all this, in my view and in my experience,
>creates a sadly lopsided game. Non-regents get what? Nothing they don't
>work hard for and earn for themselves. If anything, non-regents should be
>getting extra experience.

Which seems to be the view of the writers of the game as well-don't
non-blooded PC's get a bonus 10% experience.

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[Olesens]

> Lavishing experience on top of all this, in my view and in my experience,
> creates a sadly lopsided game. Non-regents get what? Nothing they don't
> work hard for and earn for themselves. If anything, non-regents should be
> getting extra experience.

Well they do, sorta. While our regent is cooped up in his castle, the common
heros can be adventuring. I think a small reward in XP for class-related actions
is a good idea, but it should be vastly less than a PC could get from a week of
aventuring.

[Jeff Dunnett]

I agree with you throughly. I speak from experience. One of the
first Birthright Campaigns that I played in I came in after the
campaign had started so I was forced to play a non-regent. I hated
Birthright, I mean no only did I have to sit there for 2 hrs a session
while the regents and DM did turns, all the stories were centered
around the regents or their immediate family, and they could buy any
thing they wanted. I had to scrape together enough to buy something I
wanted. However the DM took my grievences into consideration and
modified his campaign to take into account the non-regent PC. I don't
know what I would have done if they had have gotten extra XP's on top
of that. By the way Birthright is now one of my favourite campaigns.

Jeff




- ---DKEvermore@aol.com wrote:
>
> I've never understood why people would, outside a pbem game, give
regents
> experience for their actions. Perhaps someone can give me some good
reasons
> other than, "They should be rewarded for spending time doing regent
stuff."
>
> Regents should not have special experience (that non-regents could
not get!)
> because:
>
> 1) Regents get money. LOTS of money.
> 2) Regents get stuff. Practically anything they want, except for
outright
> powerful magic items.
> 3) Regents get all the followers, hangers on and yes men they could
possibly
> want, and then some.
> 4) Regents can hire and lead an entire army. They don't have to
"earn" this,
> the get this. For being regents and having money.
>
> Lavishing experience on top of all this, in my view and in my
experience,
> creates a sadly lopsided game. Non-regents get what? Nothing they
don't
> work hard for and earn for themselves. If anything, non-regents
should be
> getting extra experience.
>
> -Dustin Evermore
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[Olesens]

DKEvermore@aol.com wrote:

> I've never understood why people would, outside a pbem game, give regents
> experience for their actions. Perhaps someone can give me some good reasons
> other than, "They should be rewarded for spending time doing regent stuff."

Well I do agree with you, altough I do have some things to say in support of XP
for regents (see other post). In a way, regents get XP for doing stuff anyway.
Mages and Priests get XP for creating spells and magical items. They also get XP
for casting regular spells so they should get maybe 2x the ammount for realm
spells (so long as they aid diety's cause or are to overcome a problem).
Warriors get XP when they do battles, since that is VERY warriorish. Thieves
don't really have such a thing, unless the personally participate in espionage
actions. Guilders should get XP from createing TRs and guilds, as this is VERY
their thing. Although as a DM, I wouldn't hand out such rewards unless the PC
regent did *something* (roleplayed trade negociations, came up with a new spell,
etc).

- -Andrew

[Brian Stoner]

When I put together a list of XP to award regents for domain actions, I did so on
the theory that experience is gained by action in general...whether it be from
adventure or ruling. I limited it to activities that relate specifically to the
class, however. It is not designed with keeping a balance between regents and
non-regents in mind...that is the DM's job. (one that I readily admit I've had
trouble with in the past...but I've gotten better ). I kept the awards low
(100s of xps per actions), which only makes them valuable for low level
characters. Since only one can be taken per month, it takes a while to raise
levels...especially for higher level characters. A character could raise a couple
of levels in a year at first, but their rate of increase would quickly slow way
down. In order to continue going up, the regent would need to adventure.

Dearnen

DKEvermore@aol.com wrote:

> I've never understood why people would, outside a pbem game, give regents
> experience for their actions. Perhaps someone can give me some good reasons
> other than, "They should be rewarded for spending time doing regent stuff."
>
> Regents should not have special experience (that non-regents could not get!)
> because:
>
> 1) Regents get money. LOTS of money.
> 2) Regents get stuff. Practically anything they want, except for outright
> powerful magic items.
> 3) Regents get all the followers, hangers on and yes men they could possibly
> want, and then some.
> 4) Regents can hire and lead an entire army. They don't have to "earn" this,
> the get this. For being regents and having money.
>
> Lavishing experience on top of all this, in my view and in my experience,
> creates a sadly lopsided game. Non-regents get what? Nothing they don't
> work hard for and earn for themselves. If anything, non-regents should be
> getting extra experience.
>
> -Dustin Evermore

[Kenneth Gauck]

Regents don't hang out with nobodies. If non-blooded characters are hanging
around with a regent, the regent really ought to be supporting them. The
gift a sword here and a healing potion there should be common place. Right
off the top I charge players 200gp to 500 gp for every lieutenant. I really
don't care how they arrange payment, so long as their retainers are kept in
an appropriot station. All but the most devoted retainers will become
disloyal if not maintained properly. If the PC regent wants your unblooded
PC in his court (and adventuring parties) he needs to pay to keep you there.
My favorite methods is to give someone a sinecure (a job with no real
responsibility) and hence a salary. Likewise, regents could grant estates
with an income of, say, 200 gp's per season.

Kenneth Gauck
c558382@earthlink.net

[Pieter Sleijpen]

Kenneth Gauck wrote:
>
> Regents don't hang out with nobodies. If non-blooded characters are
> hanging around with a regent, the regent really ought to be supporting
> them. The gift a sword here and a healing potion there should be
> common place. Right off the top I charge players 200gp to 500 gp for
> every lieutenant. I really don't care how they arrange payment, so
> long as their retainers are kept in an appropriot station. All but
> the most devoted retainers will become disloyal if not maintained
> properly. If the PC regent wants your unblooded PC in his court (and
> adventuring parties) he needs to pay to keep you there. My favorite
> methods is to give someone a sinecure (a job with no real
> responsibility) and hence a salary. Likewise, regents could grant
> estates with an income of, say, 200 gp's per season.
>

In my opinion the salary of lieutenants and the like is in the domain
maintainance and court costs. As long as they pay for their courts, I am
not going to demand extra money for lieutenants or bodyguards and that
sort of characters. I give the non-regent PC's, who all work for the
regent PC's a house, free access to normal equipment (as long as it is
used with moderation) and a certain amount above that per month
(depending on how greedy the character is) for special use. I simply do
not feel like useing more detail with this.

Pieter Sleijpen

[the Falcon]

> Lavishing experience on top of all this, in my view and in my experience,
> creates a sadly lopsided game. Non-regents get what? Nothing they don't
> work hard for and earn for themselves. If anything, non-regents should be
> getting extra experience.

This all reminds me of that fact that unblooded characters get a +10%
experience bonus. Which is of course great. BUT shouldn't someone with
a, say, tainted bloodline of 4 or so and no blood abilities whatsoever,
get a significant bonus over a scion with, for example, a great bloodline
of 64 with 3 minor, 1 major, and 2 great blood abilities? It would seem
grossly unfair to me if not. However, I haven't come up with a solution
for that yet. So I was wondering if anybody has. Any and all replies are
very welcome.

- the Falcon

[Jeff Dunnett]

That's a good idea. I've seen it happen in our own campaign. Two
member of the regents family have position in the court that mean
nothing. One is Court Bard (she doesn't have to preform). The other
just sits there and does nothing.

Jeff




- ---Kenneth Gauck wrote:
>
> Regents don't hang out with nobodies. If non-blooded characters are
hanging
> around with a regent, the regent really ought to be supporting them.
The
> gift a sword here and a healing potion there should be common place.
Right
> off the top I charge players 200gp to 500 gp for every lieutenant.
I really
> don't care how they arrange payment, so long as their retainers are
kept in
> an appropriot station. All but the most devoted retainers will become
> disloyal if not maintained properly. If the PC regent wants your
unblooded
> PC in his court (and adventuring parties) he needs to pay to keep
you there.
> My favorite methods is to give someone a sinecure (a job with no real
> responsibility) and hence a salary. Likewise, regents could grant
estates
> with an income of, say, 200 gp's per season.
>
> Kenneth Gauck
> c558382@earthlink.net
>
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