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  1. #1
    Pieter Sleijpen
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    Artifact: The Chalice of Haely

    A lot of people on this mailing list seem to use the idea that a
    deviration can change when commiting bloodtheft on characters with a
    higher bloodline. Does this mean that a beginning awnshegh can change
    his fate by finding a higher blooded character with an other deviration?
    That would a very good, though evil way out of it and to my idea a
    little bit to easy.

  2. #2
    Gary V. Foss
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    Artifact: The Chalice of Haely

    Pieter Sleijpen wrote:

    > A lot of people on this mailing list seem to use the idea that a
    > deviration can change when commiting bloodtheft on characters with a
    > higher bloodline. Does this mean that a beginning awnshegh can change
    > his fate by finding a higher blooded character with an other deviration?
    > That would a very good, though evil way out of it and to my idea a
    > little bit to easy.

    I play that the bloodline of Azrai can corrupt any other bloodline. I don't
    have it work the other way, nor do I let Azrai's bloodline corrupt someone else
    with Azrai's bloodline. If someone with Azrai's bloodline were to commit
    bloodtheft on another person with the same derivation his bloodline would not
    change any more than is normal through bloodtheft.

    Gary

  3. #3
    Tim Nutting
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    Artifact: The Chalice of Haely

    > A lot of people on this mailing list seem to use the idea that a
    > deviration can change when commiting bloodtheft on characters with a
    > higher bloodline. Does this mean that a beginning awnshegh can change
    > his fate by finding a higher blooded character with an other deviration?
    > That would a very good, though evil way out of it and to my idea a
    > little bit to easy.

    Well, I play that Azrai's blood is the most potent of the seven lines. Since
    so little history is given of the dim and murky past of Deismaar (with good
    reason), I've gone my own way and placed the Adurians as being incredibly
    powerful when compared to the other races. They had to be, else they would not
    have been able to chase six entire civilizations off the southern continent.
    By all rights and inference, the Adurian nations outnumbered ALL of the
    Cerilian humans by about 2 to 1, at least.

    So, because Azrai had more worshipers, he had more power, and thus more was
    distributed when he "died." (The Shadow IS returning) I track Azrai blood
    score seperate of everything else (the other lines are none strong enough to
    "absorb" each other, except in usurpation, when the line of the slayer
    overcomes the line of the victim). Whenever BT occurs, I roll a percentage
    chance equal to Azrai Blood Score. Lower, they are consumed and incompatible
    powers are transformed, plus they instantly gain the Bloodform (trait?)
    "ability" that creates an awnshegh's form.

    I agree with the Complete Systems mystery author (what IS your name, friend?)
    that Bloodtheft is evil, much to the chargin of my players. They want the
    power, and they want to be good, too. Kind of like wanting forgiveness without
    having to pay for it, a symptom of modern American culture.

    I allow "Usurpation" by my PCs on a few notorious circumstances. The first is
    that they came up with a whopper of a good reason for it. One PC is a...
    visionary, who believes that Azrai is returning from the dead. He believes
    that when the Shadow returns, it will claim all the power left in the land,
    taking it back from the corners of Cerilia it has seeped to. So, by allowing
    an awnshegh's bloodgift to seep back into the land, they allow Azrai all that
    much more strength when He comes back. The choices are simple, then, take it
    upon themselves, or leave it for the Enemy to regain.

    You can understand why they are very eager to get their hands on something that
    will "purify one's bloodline". The perception is that a scion of Brenna will
    keep a Brenna bloodline, though this is far from the truth.

    I'd like some comment about the artifact itself, too.

    Thanks!
    Tim

  4. #4
    Tod Hurlbert
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    Artifact: The Chalice of Haely

    > Enjoy! (and let me know what you think!!!!)

    > sufficient skill at arms to join the ranks. Many of the Duchies were
    taken
    > aback at the vastly growing power of this military arm of the Temple, and
    a few
    > speculated that, perhaps the Temple no longer controlled the Knighthood.
    > The truth would become known in 379 HC, when Blaede Avan first pressed
    the High
    > Priest, then Lucas Moerelle, to declare holy war on the godless elves of
    the
    > Sielwode, and their former "allies" the foul humanoids of the Aelvinwode
    and
    > the Gorgon's Crown. When he was rebuffed, Blaede formally, and publicly,
    broke
    > the Knighthood from the Temple, and issued a decree claiming that no
    Knight
    > would rest while evil still walked.

    This doesn't fit well with what the BoP says regarding Haelyns Aegis.
    According to
    the BoP; Haelyns Aegis didnt begin to splinter from form the Orthodox
    Temple until
    after the death of Michael Roele (950HC) & the fall of the Empire. It was
    also my
    impression, though I can't find anything confirming it now, that the
    Northern Imperial
    Temple was the first to split from the Orthodox Temple. That didn't occur
    until 1297HC.
    Sorry to be so nit-pickey, but I've recently been compiling all of the
    historical information
    I can get my hands on in an Excell spreadsheet & the dates are fresh in my
    head.

    > Emperor Hadrian I issued a direct order for the Grand Master of the
    Knighthood
    > to cease his actions and step down, thus earning the enmity of the
    Knighthood.
    > Soon Avan labeled the Emperor himself a traitor to Haelyn and the Temple,
    and
    > thus declared war on the Empire as well.

    For the most part, I really like the history of the artifact, but I've got
    some problems
    with this part. Though, given the side effects of the artifact, Avan's
    action seem perfectly
    believeable, I think the members the Holy order would turn on him if he
    tried to declare
    war on the empire. (At least at a time when the empire still existed). If
    this episode were
    to happen at some later point, after the dissolution of the empire, I think
    it would be quite
    feasible. I'd say circa 1300HC, deffinately after Fitzlan & the split of
    the NIT.

    Perhaps instead, Avan actually declares himself emperor. And being that
    there is no
    emperor, the members of the order would be much less likely to turn on him.
    In fact, they'd
    probably be inclined to flock to his cause- the restoration and 'cleansing'
    of the empire!

    The thought of an obvious fanatic like Avan (and his Holy Army), claiming
    the Iron Throne would surely be enough to cause the other nobles to go to
    war. I'm sure
    his uncle (brother, cousin, whatever) the Prince of Avanil would be
    mobilizing his armies
    to protect 'His' claim. Boeruine as well. The end result would be the
    same, he'd hang from
    the neck like a commoner & the chalice would eventually be lost.

    What does everyone else think?
    Tod Hurlbert

  5. #5
    Tim Nutting
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    Artifact: The Chalice of Haely


  6. #6

    Artifact: The Chalice of Haely

    Hallo!
    It seems my mailer is treating me like gold once again.... I got all the
    replies to this message, but missed the original post. Could some one be a
    peach and send me a copy. (I'm sure there's more 'messy mailbox' types out
    there....)

    Thanks.

    Keith

    > > Enjoy! (and let me know what you think!!!!)
    >
    > > sufficient skill at arms to join the ranks. Many of the Duchies were
    > taken
    > > aback at the vastly growing power of this military arm of the Temple, and
    > a few
    > > speculated that, perhaps the Temple no longer controlled the Knighthood.
    > > The truth would become known in 379 HC, when Blaede Avan first pressed
    > the High
    > > Priest, then Lucas Moerelle, to declare holy war on the godless elves of
    > the
    > > Sielwode, and their former "allies" the foul humanoids of the Aelvinwode
    > and
    > > the Gorgon's Crown. When he was rebuffed, Blaede formally, and publicly,
    > broke
    > > the Knighthood from the Temple, and issued a decree claiming that no
    > Knight
    > > would rest while evil still walked.
    >

    - --
    "I am your humble knight, and I swear allegiance to the courage and power in
    your veins.
    So strong it is, it's source must be Uther Pendragon."
    The Draftmine (Home of the Brass Boar & other Oddities.)
    http://www.angelfire.com/ak/draftmine/
    Brenna's Blood Secret PbeM (A Haven's of the Great Bay PBeM.)
    http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2239/index.htm

  7. #7
    Kai Beste
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    Artifact: The Chalice of Haely

    > Do the people who use this corrupting rule also use it with other blood
    > devirations? So, a basaia deviration could change into Brenna one for
    > instance. Do you change bloodpowers that are impossible immidiatly or
    > gradually or not at all? These last questions are a lot more important
    > to me, since my players have not met that many awnshegh (as of yet).

    Well, my reply is prolly a bit late, but then I'm a bit behind my
    mail...
    IMC I only use the corrupting rule for Azrai derivation. As has
    already been said, Azrai was the most powerful of the gods, and thus
    his blood is much more potent. This means, bloodline corruption is a
    one-way process. As good ol' Yoda said, "once you start down the dark
    path, forever shall it consume you". It actually hasn't happend so
    far (only 2 instances of bloodtheft), but I'd prolly strip a
    character of the incompatible powers at once, while the blood of
    Azrai slowly manifests. This means the character will gain the new
    abilities one by one. It could be fun picking abilities that are
    "similar" to old ones. "Healing" could become "touch of decay" ...
    while the character is sitll not aware of the change... "So you want
    to heal him?" MWAHAHAHA

    comments welcome

    Kai

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