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  1. #1
    Whalejudge@aol.co
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    A God Named Gorgon

    In Blood Enemies, the Gorgon is noted to be jealous of the power of Benilik
    and Kreisha. IMO, the Gorgon is wants to become a god. How should he go
    about becoming one? For that matter, would blooded characters be able to
    achieve godhood on their own, without divine intercession?

  2. #2
    Gary V. Foss
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    A God Named Gorgon

    Whalejudge@aol.com wrote:

    > In Blood Enemies, the Gorgon is noted to be jealous of the power of Benilik
    > and Kreisha. IMO, the Gorgon is wants to become a god. How should he go
    > about becoming one? For that matter, would blooded characters be able to
    > achieve godhood on their own, without divine intercession?

    The Legends and Lore text has the following information about Divine Ascension:

    As mentioned in the previous section, [that section was about demi-gods] it is
    possible for a hero to become a demigod. In order for this to happen, the
    following conditions must be met:
    The hero must have advanced to an experience level at least twice as high as
    the average experience level in the campaign. No matter what the average
    experience level is in a campaign, however, the hero must be at least 15th
    level.
    The hero must have at least one Attribute score that has been raised to 19 or
    above.
    The hero must have a charisma of 18, with a body of at least two hundred
    followers that regard him as virtually a deity already.
    The hero must be a true and faithful follower of his alignment, having
    committed no more than one incongruous act during his lifetime.
    If all of these conditions are met, the DM may, at his option, elect to invest
    the character with demigod status. Characters granted such status become part
    of the culture’s pantheon. If they are player characters, they are removed from
    play and treated as a demigod from that point on.

    Personally, I don't agree with all of these conditions. The 18 charisma part
    seems like bunk. A character who was to become a demi-god of disease, for
    instance, seems unlikely to have an 18 charisma, but the body of followers part
    makes perfect sense. Even with that requirement, however, the Gorgon has all
    that stuff down. Getting 200 followers to worship him as a god should be no
    problem for him. He might have that many people worshiping him right now, and
    he hasn't even threatened to kill them yet.

    It seems to me that someone who wanted to become a god should also pick out
    some sort of natural force or human concept which he is going to embody. That
    is, the powers have to be powers OF something. Strength, law, hate, gambling,
    birds, lakes, volcanoes, music, lies, wine, whatever. The Gorgon can't just
    become the demi-god of Gorgonishness. He has to pick something that he
    represents.

    There are also hints in The Dead Gods module that a creature who becomes a god
    has to forego his physical body at least once. That is, his body "dies" and
    his soul leaves it behind, evolving into something else. Maybe the Gorgon's
    body will turn to stone and crumble into pieces, each of which will be a holy
    relic to those who worship him?

    Wasn't there some sort of divine ascension game that came out about ten years
    ago? Some sort of D&D expansion rules in which one played one of the gods and
    sought to become more powerful, going up the ranks from demi- to greater god?
    I don't know much about it except what I gleaned from a Sage's Advice column a
    few years back, so if someone has some idea what I'm talking about (because
    clearly I don't myself) I think that might help.

    Gary

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    Whalejudge@aol.co
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    A God Named Gorgon

    One of my points about the Gorgon becoming a new god is that he ALREADY has a
    great deal of divine power. Just how much more would he need?

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    Ryan Freire
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    A God Named Gorgon

    Ive always played out that after a certain amount of bloodpower, you
    would become a demigod, after all that seems to be how the new gods got
    their godhood, absorbed enough divine essence. That could be why the
    gorgon is so intent on bloodtheft, if he gets enough, and then starts
    gathering worshippers, he could become a god

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    Pieter Sleijpen
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    A God Named Gorgon

    The D&D immortals differ fundamentaly from the AD&D deities and that
    boxed set (the newest was called "Wrath of Immortals") is not very
    usefull for AD&D. Though the quests needed to become an immortal can
    always be used as guidelines. Having said that, I do agree with Ryan
    Freire that certain level of bloodpower will help becoming a demi-god.
    But it will not be enough, afterall a deity still needs worshippers and
    as Gary stated: a portofolio. I do think the bloodline will remove the
    need of a deity sponser, the divine power is after all allready in the
    person. There are enough portofolios that belonged to Azrai originaly
    that are not represented in Belinik or Krieshna, so that will not be a
    problem. I do not think you can force someone to truely worship a deity
    and see this as one of the reasons why creatures as the Gorgon or the
    Serpent are not deities yet. Maybe there is also the real risk of being
    destroyed in the process, the fear for this might prevent these
    creatures to take the last step unless they are absolutely sure it will
    work.

    The Serpent for instance is working to be a deity, one of the main
    reasons according to me that he has never tried to conquer the Khinasi,
    while he certainly is powerfull enough. He probably will take over the
    charismatic, intrigue loving, betraying part of Azrai. Some portofolio
    suggestions will be welcome, because I planning to use this plot for
    some adventures in my campaign. In my campaign the Magian will try to
    conquer his neighboors who hardly stand a chance, due to some actions on
    the Magian side (involving some of the plot suggestions in the "Time and
    Magic session). The Serpent will oppose this and offers his help, which
    will give him the nessecary worship impulse and the rituals to become a
    deity. This will involve some tough choices on the PC's side, because
    they need the help of an evil hated creature and then they will also
    find out it will help this creature attaining godhood. Who knows, in the
    end they might desturb the rituals and sacrifice their lifes for it
    (they are kind of players who are good enough roleplayers to do that).

    Coming back to the Gorgon, I always thought that he decided to stay a
    mortal to take more active revenge on his half-brothers and their
    legecy: the Anuirean Empire.


    Ryan Freire wrote:
    >
    > Ive always played out that after a certain amount of bloodpower, you
    > would become a demigod, after all that seems to be how the new gods got
    > their godhood, absorbed enough divine essence. That could be why the
    > gorgon is so intent on bloodtheft, if he gets enough, and then starts
    > gathering worshippers, he could become a god
    >

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    Gary V. Foss
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    A God Named Gorgon

    Shaun Hodgson wrote:

    > >The information that you seem to remember came from Basic D&D, and was called
    > >the Immortals Set (and was later included in the Hard Cover). It described
    > >various
    > >methods to become an Immortal (a Basic D&D god). But in order to start on
    > >the
    > >path to immortality you had to be maximum level (36th in Basic).
    > >
    > >Hope this helps.

    Thanks, Shaun. I knew that came from someplace....

    Gary

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    DKEvermore@aol.co
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    A God Named Gorgon

    In a message dated 10-27-1998 3:21:54 AM Central Standard Time,
    matty_freire@hotmail.com writes:

    > Ive always played out that after a certain amount of bloodpower, you
    > would become a demigod, after all that seems to be how the new gods got
    > their godhood, absorbed enough divine essence. That could be why the
    > gorgon is so intent on bloodtheft, if he gets enough, and then starts
    > gathering worshippers, he could become a god
    >
    Say this case were true, and the Gorgon will become a god. What do you all
    think his portfolio might be?

    I'm thinking Cerilia needs a god of Beasts and Death...

    - -DKE

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    Gary V. Foss
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    A God Named Gorgon

    DKEvermore@aol.com wrote:

    > I'm thinking Cerilia needs a god of Beasts and Death...

    The Gorgon's gaze is pretty good evidence for the Death aspect, but why beasts?

    I think the Gorgon should be the god of Death, Revenge and Hatred.

    Some part of his stony aspect should get thrown in. He can turn people to
    stone with his gaze and is also slowly hardening himself.... Cerilia's
    relationship to the Shadow World seems to tie it closely with the elemental
    planes, so maybe some relationship to the Elemental Plane of Earth is in
    order? He has managed to corrupt the dwarves of Mur-Kilad. Maybe he could
    become an aspect of evil in their pantheon as well?

    Gary

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    James Knevitt
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    A God Named Gorgon

    - ---DKEvermore@aol.com wrote:
    >
    > In a message dated 10-27-1998 3:21:54 AM Central Standard Time,
    > matty_freire@hotmail.com writes:
    >
    > > Ive always played out that after a certain amount of bloodpower,
    you
    > > would become a demigod, after all that seems to be how the new
    gods got
    > > their godhood, absorbed enough divine essence. That could be why
    the
    > > gorgon is so intent on bloodtheft, if he gets enough, and then
    starts
    > > gathering worshippers, he could become a god
    > >

    Sure he might need a lot of bloodpower, but exactly how much ? I tend
    to think that to become a god (even a demigod for that matter) you'd
    need a massive amount of bloodpower. We're talking hundreds of points,
    maybe even a thousand or two. Any thoughts ?

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