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Stupid Elf
I have it ! Obviously the Elves on Aerbynnis are merely a Jann
variant, albeit an immortal strain. Maybe realising that would
help get rid of the baggage about them that people bring from
mainstream AD&D. :) Dagnabbed Tree-Huggers ! :)
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10-06-1998, 11:19 PM #2Pieter A de JongGuest
Stupid Elf
J. D. Lail wrote:
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> I have it ! Obviously the Elves on Aerbynnis are merely a Jann
> variant, albeit an immortal strain. Maybe realising that would
> help get rid of the baggage about them that people bring from
> mainstream AD&D. :) Dagnabbed Tree-Huggers ! :)
>
I believe that you may be correct, I see things the same way IMC. This
however has raised questions regarding the elven relations with the
elemental powers. As a silly proposal, could the elves make an alliance
with other genies? Could they have a relationship with the Elemental
Princes? Finally, should the elementalist speciality wizard school be
opened up to cerilian elves as well as humans?
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Pieter A de Jong
Graduate Mechanical Engineering Student
University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
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10-07-1998, 06:44 AM #3Gary V. FossGuest
Stupid Elf
Pieter A de Jong wrote:
> I believe that you may be correct, I see things the same way IMC. This
> however has raised questions regarding the elven relations with the
> elemental powers. As a silly proposal, could the elves make an alliance
> with other genies? Could they have a relationship with the Elemental
> Princes? Finally, should the elementalist speciality wizard school be
> opened up to cerilian elves as well as humans?
I'm afraid I know very little about how the Shadow World works in BR, but I am
under the impression that it acts as a buffer between Cerilia and the rest of
the planes, doesn't it? I even thought that this is part of the justification
for the low magic influence of Cerilia, as mages (who do not have a direct tie
to the gods as part of their character class) must have the blood of the gods
within them in order to access magic spells. If this is the case, a connection
with the elemental planes could be more difficult on Cerilia than it would be
in another campaign world, thus making the elementalist specialty more
difficult for humans, let alone elves.
Gary
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10-07-1998, 09:56 PM #4Mark A VandermeulenGuest
Stupid Elf
On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Pieter A de Jong wrote:
> J. D. Lail wrote:
> >
> > I have it ! Obviously the Elves on Aerbynnis are merely a Jann
> > variant, albeit an immortal strain. Maybe realising that would
> > help get rid of the baggage about them that people bring from
> > mainstream AD&D. :) Dagnabbed Tree-Huggers ! :)
> >
> I believe that you may be correct, I see things the same way IMC. This
> however has raised questions regarding the elven relations with the
> elemental powers. As a silly proposal, could the elves make an alliance
> with other genies? Could they have a relationship with the Elemental
> Princes? Finally, should the elementalist speciality wizard school be
> opened up to cerilian elves as well as humans?
In my own personal Top Secret, the PC's-will-probably-never-find-out
understanding of the Ancient, Primordial History of the plane of
Aebrynnis, the elves and the genies were actually one and the same
species. At some point in the misty depths of the past, there was a great
conflict that tore the species in half, causing a great war in which many
atrocities were committed. (Darkstar has an excellent scenario involving
primordial gods on his BR netbook which can be related to this--his is
much more rigorously formulated than my own vague ideas.) At the
culmination of this gigantic conflict, a great catastrophy occurred (or a
last-ditch effort was made similar to the act of the gods at Deismaar)
which actually split the plane of Deismaar into two, divorcing the
spiritual from the material, and creating the "subplane" than in later
times would be known as the Shadow World. In the process, the elven race
was split as well. The elves, who remained in the material world, were
distanced from their spiritual selves, and subsequently were diminished in
their magical ability (in comparison to their original nearly god-like
power). The race's created servants, giants and dragons, used the
resulting devastation and chaos to rebell from their pre-elven creators,
and set the stage for centuries of conflict between the two groups that
resulted in the Giantdowns. Meanwhile, the other half of the race found
themselves trapped in the spiritual portion of the world, and lost their
connection to their material bodies. This part of the race became the
genies, and battled between themselves for millenia for power, most in
time selecting one or another of the material elements as a stabilizing
force to keep their spirit ordered against the ever-changing possibilities
of the Shadow World, while others went mad and dissipated in their new and
strange environment, or where killed by other more powerful members of
their kind.
Just thought I'd share.
Mark VanderMeulen
vander+@pitt.edu
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10-07-1998, 10:04 PM #5Mark A VandermeulenGuest
Stupid Elf
On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Pieter A de Jong wrote:
> I believe that you may be correct, I see things the same way IMC. This
> however has raised questions regarding the elven relations with the
> elemental powers. As a silly proposal, could the elves make an alliance
> with other genies? Could they have a relationship with the Elemental
> Princes? Finally, should the elementalist speciality wizard school be
> opened up to cerilian elves as well as humans?
I play Cerilia with no elemental planes. The elements are material,
period. I did toy, however, with the thought of elves as elementalists. My
conclusions were: 1.) it would be rare, seeing that elves typically avoid
invocation spells of destructive power, which is what many elemental
spells are, or at least the ones everyone thinks of. 2.) I would think
that elves look at elven elementalists in the same way that humans look at
necromancers--sure they're not necessarily evil, and may even be useful in
some occasions, but they're messing around with the fundamental building
blocks of (elven) life in a way that is almost certainly at least morbid,
if not disturbing. And 3.) if you'll see my previous post on the
primordial history of Aebrynnis, the elemental powers remind elves too
much (deep in their cultural history) of the awesome powers that the
pre-elves possessed before the cataclism that sundered the world into the
material world and the spirit/Shadow World.
So yes, I would allow elementalist elves, but they'd be FREAKS and would
receive charisma penalties among their own kind. (In other word, NOBODY
would like them ;) ).
Mark VanderMeulen
vander+@pitt.edu
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10-08-1998, 03:32 AM #6Ryan FreireGuest
Stupid Elf
>In my own personal Top Secret, the PC's-will-probably-never-find-out
>understanding of the Ancient, Primordial History of the plane of
>Aebrynnis, the elves and the genies were actually one and the same
>species. At some point in the misty depths of the past, there was a
great
>conflict that tore the species in half, causing a great war in which
many
>atrocities were committed. (Darkstar has an excellent scenario
involving
>primordial gods on his BR netbook which can be related to this--his is
>much more rigorously formulated than my own vague ideas.) At the
>culmination of this gigantic conflict, a great catastrophy occurred (or
a
>last-ditch effort was made similar to the act of the gods at Deismaar)
>which actually split the plane of Deismaar into two, divorcing the
>spiritual from the material, and creating the "subplane" than in later
>times would be known as the Shadow World. In the process, the elven
race
>was split as well. The elves, who remained in the material world, were
>distanced from their spiritual selves, and subsequently were diminished
in
>their magical ability (in comparison to their original nearly god-like
>power). The race's created servants, giants and dragons, used the
>resulting devastation and chaos to rebell from their pre-elven
creators,
>and set the stage for centuries of conflict between the two groups that
>resulted in the Giantdowns. Meanwhile, the other half of the race found
>themselves trapped in the spiritual portion of the world, and lost
their
>connection to their material bodies. This part of the race became the
>genies, and battled between themselves for millenia for power, most in
>time selecting one or another of the material elements as a stabilizing
>force to keep their spirit ordered against the ever-changing
possibilities
>of the Shadow World, while others went mad and dissipated in their new
and
>strange environment, or where killed by other more powerful members of
>their kind.
>
>Just thought I'd share.
>
>Mark VanderMeulen
>vander+@pitt.edu
Interesting idea, the DM in the campaign im running sees the elves as a
sort of "experiment" by Corellon Laerthian. Sort of a "Tired of seeing
his creations getting their butts stomped on such places as Faerun and
Oerth, the great god of the elves creates a new race, and gives them
some more agressive traits, then to make them more self sufficient he
distances himself and all the other elven pantheon from them. Having
never had a god but still having all that racial pride, the elves would
naturally think that gods are puny human things that their race doesnt
need to survive"
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