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09-11-1998, 11:50 AM #1Craig GreesonGuest
[BIRTHRIGHT] -Relaunch of Birthright (was This
> Well said Craig. The Ravenloft crossover idea would not be among my list of
> top 5 'love to see' either, but if it will draw more folks into the all time
> best Campaign World in published history, I too will make room on the bench.
> I think the 'Core Rules' transformation and the 'Kings' optional rules is a
> grand idea. Everyone wins. We BR die hards get our new (and hopefully
> improved) rules, TSR gets to make money off a product that would otherwise take
> up shelf (or disk??) space, and the Ravenloft/FR folks unwittingly get drawn
> into the Birthright world.....muhhhHHAHAHAHAH! Which completes the circle, and
> Birthright is born again! (At least, in theory).
Now it is my turn to agree. I have long thought it made sense for TSR to
publish generic rules for Domain rulership for the base AD&D game, and that
it would help the Birthright product line. Here's why.
1st- People who buy these Domain rules are going to think, "Wow, what a
great idea. Instead of sitting around waiting for Elminster and the 7
Sisters to take care of all the big tasks, I can play a king or regent
wizard who can impact the entire campaign." However, when they try the
rules with FR, DL, DS, RL, or whatever, they'll find it doesn't work too
well (unfortunately, it works better for Greyhawk - hopefully, no one will
figure that out). The nations in those worlds are too big, too static, and
too non-confrontational. So, they'll need a campaign world designed for
2nd- Relaunch Cerilia at the same time. Let it be known that it's the
ideal campaign to use in a Domain rulership campaign. But, also let it be
known that it's a grand campaign world perfect for traditional adventures.
Be sure to emphasize the different nature of elves and the involvement of
goblins and orogs in the campaign world. Also let it be known that Cerilia
and the Shadow World tie in with RL. Release a Cerilian adventure and a SW
adventure that are completely appropriate for both regents and
non-regents. Thus, you interest all the BR fans, many of the people who
like the generic Domain rulership rules, and some of the people who like
3rd- Release a piece of software that is designed to take care of many of
the domain tracking functions. Have Cerilia as the default world (maybe
include some Cerilian printed material with it or have Cerilian info. on
the disk?), but let it be flexible so it can be used for other worlds.
This would make the BR campaign MUCH less daunting.
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09-11-1998, 06:15 PM #2
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[BIRTHRIGHT] -Relaunch of Birthright (was This
Craig Greeson wrote:
> 2nd- Relaunch Cerilia at the same time. Let it be known that it's the
> ideal campaign to use in a Domain rulership campaign. But, also let it be
> known that it's a grand campaign world perfect for traditional adventures.
> Be sure to emphasize the different nature of elves and the involvement of
> goblins and orogs in the campaign world. Also let it be known that Cerilia
> and the Shadow World tie in with RL. Release a Cerilian adventure and a SW
> adventure that are completely appropriate for both regents and
> non-regents. Thus, you interest all the BR fans, many of the people who
> like the generic Domain rulership rules, and some of the people who like
Once again, well said! This is one of the main reason the BR line flubbed (at least
in sheer dollar sales) The 'teaser' advertising style that was used for Birthright
was neat, and it made you wonder, but in the age of $40.00 box sets (*sigh* I
remember when a box was $18.00, and a module a meager $8.00) people don't want to
take a chance. Birthright never really received the RPG Campaign treatment IMO, and
thus all those FR players didn't buy into this new 'strategy game'. Look at the maps
of Cerilia, and then glance at FR. Which one looks like a RPG game world? FR of
course.... Cerilia has all these numbers all over it, no roads, very few towns....
though the legend icons are kinda cool. If Birthright is to be relaunched, I think
you have hit the format in which it should take Craig. The 'regent styled players'
all ready play the game; thus, place the emphasis on the RPG aspects.... give those
Elminster fans a reason to check out the BR box. (Maybe have Rheulaan Greenclaok or
some one show up in a FR novel [everyone else seems to plans bounce....] or maybe the
Sayer of Coullabhie can join in those Dragon articles (The Three Mages???) that
Elminster, that Greyhawk guy, and the *ack* DL wizard are all in too.
Anyway, that's the way I see it.
> Craig Greeson
> Honorary member of the "Save My Birthright" campaign
Save BR membership now at "2"..... it's growing...... :)
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