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  1. #1
    Ed Stark
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    Have they given up up on Birthr

    At 10:18 AM 9/10/98 -0500, you wrote:
    >Sorry if my last message sounded like I was flaming TSR/Wizards. I will ask
    >again though...
    >Have they officially given up on Birthright or not?? Anyone? Hello?

    Sigh. I answer this question every month or so, but I guess that's part of
    my job.

    Here's the deal: BIRTHRIGHT, as a campaign setting, is on hold--think of it
    as the "physically unable to perform list" from pro sports. It's off this
    year's schedule; it might show up next year; it should show up in the next
    few years--its career at TSR isn't over.

    Okay, enough with the sports metaphors.

    Some material for BR is being/has been converted for other use. The most
    radical example of this is THE SHADOW STONE by Rich Baker. It was his
    second BR novel, but it has been heavily reworked and released (this month)
    as an FR novel. It fits the FR world very well (thanks to Rich's and the FR
    group's efforts) and tells a good story.

    Other material will probably be presented as "core" or "optional" AD&D
    material in the near (next year or the year after) future. We've discussed
    releasing the Cerilian "world" as a sourcebook, the BR domain rules as a
    universal AD&D "kings" system, and we've had other ideas. Nothing is
    definite until it appears in the catalog--and, with the exception of this
    year and last year, TSR catalogs have been pretty darn accurate in the
    past. We expect to get back to that in the future.

    In the meantime, DUNGEON, DRAGON, and POLYHEDRON, as well as the RPGA, are
    supporting BR by using material as adventures, articles, and tournaments.
    Despite my unavailability at GenCon this year, there were several RPGA
    tournaments run for BR, and we continue to receive tournaments and magazine
    submissions.

    The best way to see BR get back on the schedule is to keep writing to the
    magazines with ideas for articles and adventures, submit tournaments to the
    RPGA, and, if you don't want to get into the heavy writing, writing letters
    to TSR expressing your interest in the game setting. Participation is what
    gets these worlds off hiatus and back on the schedule. It worked for
    GREYHAWK in a big way, it worked for AL-QADIM in a smaller one, and TSR is
    already planning other visits to other old worlds and game settings because
    of renewed, rekindled, and/or vocal audience interest.

    That should go for another few months ;-)


    Ed Stark
    Game Designer, Wizards of the Coast/TSR Division
    Asst. Brand Manager
    ALTERNITY Team
    TSR Website: http://www.tsr.com

  2. #2
    Jim Cooper
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    Have they given up up on Birthr

    Ed Stark wrote:
    > Some material for BR is being/has been converted for other use. The most radical example of this is THE SHADOW STONE by Rich Baker. It was his second BR novel,

  3. #3
    Ed Stark
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    Have they given up up on Birthr

    At 09:59 AM 9/10/98 -0700, you wrote:
    >Ed Stark wrote:
    >> Some material for BR is being/has been converted for other use. The most
    radical example of this is THE SHADOW STONE by Rich Baker. It was his
    second BR novel,
    >What was his first, Ed?
    >
    THE FALCON AND THE WOLF, which has yet to be published. Hopefully, it will
    show up sometime--either in print or on the web.


    Ed Stark
    Game Designer, Wizards of the Coast/TSR Division
    Asst. Brand Manager
    ALTERNITY Team
    TSR Website: http://www.tsr.com

  4. #4
    TOMMY.ASHTON@asu.ed
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    Have they given up up on Birthr

    List,
    I am just stating my two cents but it seems to me that Rich Baker has
    pretty much been hosed on his novels by TSR. I will probably pick up the
    Forgotten Realms novel just to see if I can figure out what Mr. Baker had
    intended for Birthright. If Mr. Baker was still online with the list if he
    could tell us how it was planned to fit into Birthright that would be even
    better. (hint, hint)

    Thanks, again Mr. Stark for being one of the select few(Mr. Baker, Ms. Bebris)
    at TSR/WoWC that still cares about us Birthrighters. If that sounds harsh to
    WoWC then good. I won't buy another TSR product (other than the CD ROM Rules)
    until it says Birthright on it. Sorry about the rant gang.

    T

  5. #5
    BenandAmy
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    Have they given up up on Birthr

    - -----Original Message-----
    From: Ed Stark
    To: birthright@MPGN.COM
    Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 12:01 PM
    Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Have they given up up on Birthright??


    >At 10:18 AM 9/10/98 -0500, you wrote:
    >>Sorry if my last message sounded like I was flaming TSR/Wizards. I will
    ask
    >>again though...
    >>Have they officially given up on Birthright or not?? Anyone? Hello?
    >
    >Sigh. I answer this question every month or so, but I guess that's part of
    >my job.
    >
    >Here's the deal: BIRTHRIGHT, as a campaign setting, is on hold--think of it
    >as the "physically unable to perform list" from pro sports. It's off this
    >year's schedule; it might show up next year; it should show up in the next
    >few years--its career at TSR isn't over.
    >
    >Okay, enough with the sports metaphors.
    >
    >Some material for BR is being/has been converted for other use. The most
    >radical example of this is THE SHADOW STONE by Rich Baker. It was his
    >second BR novel, but it has been heavily reworked and released (this month)
    >as an FR novel. It fits the FR world very well (thanks to Rich's and the FR
    >group's efforts) and tells a good story.
    >
    >Other material will probably be presented as "core" or "optional" AD&D
    >material in the near (next year or the year after) future. We've discussed
    >releasing the Cerilian "world" as a sourcebook, the BR domain rules as a
    >universal AD&D "kings" system, and we've had other ideas. Nothing is
    >definite until it appears in the catalog--and, with the exception of this
    >year and last year, TSR catalogs have been pretty darn accurate in the
    >past. We expect to get back to that in the future.
    >
    >In the meantime, DUNGEON, DRAGON, and POLYHEDRON, as well as the RPGA, are
    >supporting BR by using material as adventures, articles, and tournaments.
    >Despite my unavailability at GenCon this year, there were several RPGA
    >tournaments run for BR, and we continue to receive tournaments and magazine
    >submissions.
    >
    >The best way to see BR get back on the schedule is to keep writing to the
    >magazines with ideas for articles and adventures, submit tournaments to the
    >RPGA, and, if you don't want to get into the heavy writing, writing letters
    >to TSR expressing your interest in the game setting. Participation is what
    >gets these worlds off hiatus and back on the schedule. It worked for
    >GREYHAWK in a big way, it worked for AL-QADIM in a smaller one, and TSR is
    >already planning other visits to other old worlds and game settings because
    >of renewed, rekindled, and/or vocal audience interest.
    >
    >That should go for another few months ;-)
    >
    >
    >Ed Stark
    >Game Designer, Wizards of the Coast/TSR Division
    >Asst. Brand Manager
    >ALTERNITY Team
    >TSR Website: http://www.tsr.com
    >************************************************* **************************
    >>

    I find it horribly disgusting that TSR is wasting perfectly good BR
    material on FR! Doesn't that classify as heresy or something?

  6. #6
    LordSchmit@aol.co
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    Have they given up up on Birthr

    In a message dated 9/10/98 4:56:39 PM Mountain Daylight Time, xanadu@pdq.net
    writes:

    > I find it horribly disgusting that TSR is wasting perfectly good BR
    > material on FR! Doesn't that classify as heresy or something?

    Me too. This has to be blasphemy. There should be laws against that.

    Then again, FR seems to have run out of original ideas a long time ago.
    They've resorted to stealing stuff from the good game lines.

  7. #7
    The Olesens
    Guest

    Have they given up up on Birthr

    > Thanks, again Mr. Stark for being one of the select few(Mr. Baker, Ms. Bebris)
    > at TSR/WoWC that still cares about us Birthrighters. If that sounds harsh to
    > WoWC then good. I won't buy another TSR product (other than the CD ROM Rules)
    > until it says Birthright on it. Sorry about the rant gang.
    >
    > T

    Me too. I will probably buy one more non-BR AD&D product. after that, TSR will
    have one less customer. Birthright is just amazing. Not even just the rules.
    The diffrent feeling of magic. the Magician class. Those (I really love them)
    priests of the new gods. and best of all, the diffrent feeling of the demihumans.
    I like only BR elves and dwarves. the non-BR IMHO suck

  8. #8
    L. D. Ruiz
    Guest

    Have they given up up on Birthr

    not only that, but their novels/books are borderline plagerism, I take the
    exmaple of the mage in the iron mask which if you read is very similar to
    the man in the iron mask. New, original, material, like seen in BR is what
    I want to spend my $ on.
    - -----Original Message-----
    From: LordSchmit@aol.com
    To: birthright@MPGN.COM
    Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 9:44 PM
    Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Have they given up up on Birthright??


    >In a message dated 9/10/98 4:56:39 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
    xanadu@pdq.net
    >writes:
    >
    >> I find it horribly disgusting that TSR is wasting perfectly good BR
    >> material on FR! Doesn't that classify as heresy or something?
    >
    > Me too. This has to be blasphemy. There should be laws against that.
    >
    >Then again, FR seems to have run out of original ideas a long time ago.
    >They've resorted to stealing stuff from the good game lines.
    >************************************************* **************************
    >>'unsubscribe birthright' as the body of the message.

  9. #9
    CBebris@aol.co
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    Have they given up up on Birthr

    In a message dated 98-09-10 18:38:53 EDT, you write:

    > I will probably pick up the
    > Forgotten Realms novel just to see if I can figure out what Mr. Baker had
    > intended for Birthright.

    I have not seen THE SHADOW STONE in its current form, but I read Rich's
    manuscript when it was still a BR novel. It was excellent--Rich is a gifted
    storyteller, and the book was beautifully written. I have no doubt that even
    converted into an FR tale, this novel is still well worth reading by anyone
    who enjoys good fantasy literature.

    Carrie Bebris

  10. #10
    CBebris@aol.co
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    Have they given up up on Birthr

    In a message dated 98-09-10 18:38:53 EDT, you write:

    > I will probably pick up the
    > Forgotten Realms novel just to see if I can figure out what Mr. Baker had
    > intended for Birthright.

    I have not seen THE SHADOW STONE in its current form, but I read Rich's
    manuscript when it was still a BR novel. It was excellent--Rich is a gifted
    storyteller, and the book was beautifully written. I have no doubt that even
    converted into an FR tale, this novel is still well worth reading by anyone
    who enjoys good fantasy literature.

    Carrie Bebris

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